Kerry speaks, student tasered, crowd watches the show

[TKarrde]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

It looked like the police in the video were trying to push him off the mic well before he got out of hand. If saying 'blowjob' is even out of hand.

Yeah, he probably should have gone peacefully once it came to a head, resisting and claiming you didn't do anything will not get them to let you go, even if you are right. That's fucked up.

Anyway, the police had no cause to try to bully him away. I'm sure they were told to stop anyone from going on about certain subjects or anyone that didn't ask a simple demure question about what Kerry's favorite color was.. and when the kid crossed the line the police paniced.

It wasn't a true forum, it was a sham.

The videos don't show the whole story.

According to Accent (The student organization that hosted the event), and several written accounts on sites like Dailykos, as well as forums with UF students who were actually attendance, the kid was never supposed to have had the mic anyway. There was a certain amount of time slotted for questions, and it ran out. This kid grabbed the mic, and started ranting. He went on for several minutes without even asking a question, during which he was told to either ask a question or sit down. Eventually the Accent students shut off his microphone, upon which he started shouting out his questions, and disrupting the event. He was asked to calm down, and sit down. He didn't. He pushed at the police, etc, and then they had to detain him.

The kid was resisting arrest. They were moving to escort him out, and then when he was almost out the door, he ran back in. In the struggle, they finally get him to the ground, but he keeps rolling onto his back to prevent them from cuffing him. He continued to kick out and flail, even after being told to stop struggling or he would be tased.

The final straw was when they almost had the cuffs on him, and he started to roll over again so he could get his hands inbetween the floor and his back to prevent being cuffed, after already being warned what would happen if he continued to resist.

After being taken out of the room, he started to rant about how the government wanted to kill him, and that everyone need to keep following him so their would be witnesses if they murdered him.

He was off his rocker.

[Twobit Whore]

You should watch it from this angle because it tells a slightly different story. You can see early into his 'question' that someone whispers to the police officer to stop him, and the mic wasn't shut off until his very last sentence after he said 'blowjob' and he certainly wasn't shouting the rest of his questions at that point because he was being escorted out.

And it's kinda cool how Kerry pointed at him to ask his questions if time had indeed ran out. Doesn't look like he forced anything there.

[Wrathcaster]

Originally Posted by TKarrde

The videos don't show the whole story.

According to Accent (The student organization that hosted the event), and several written accounts on sites like Dailykos, as well as forums with UF students who were actually attendance, the kid was never supposed to have had the mic anyway. There was a certain amount of time slotted for questions, and it ran out. This kid grabbed the mic, and started ranting. He went on for several minutes without even asking a question, during which he was told to either ask a question or sit down. Eventually the Accent students shut off his microphone, upon which he started shouting out his questions, and disrupting the event. He was asked to calm down, and sit down. He didn't. He pushed at the police, etc, and then they had to detain him.

The kid was resisting arrest. They were moving to escort him out, and then when he was almost out the door, he ran back in. In the struggle, they finally get him to the ground, but he keeps rolling onto his back to prevent them from cuffing him. He continued to kick out and flail, even after being told to stop struggling or he would be tased.

The final straw was when they almost had the cuffs on him, and he started to roll over again so he could get his hands inbetween the floor and his back to prevent being cuffed, after already being warned what would happen if he continued to resist.

After being taken out of the room, he started to rant about how the government wanted to kill him, and that everyone need to keep following him so their would be witnesses if they murdered him.

He was off his rocker.

if this was the case, then there's nothing wrong with what happened in the video. I've had kids hijack classes and discussions before and it truly is infuriating. Wait your turn and actually ask questions or contribute meaningfully. Ranting like a crazy person doesn't accomplish anything.

[Kilivek2.0]

the problem is with the people that chose to have him removed for no good reason.

the police officers had to get him out of there.

[The Ancient]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

it tells a slightly different story. You can see early into his 'question' that someone whispers to the police officer to stop him, and the mic wasn't shut off until his very last sentence after he said 'blowjob' and he certainly wasn't shouting the rest of his questions at that point because he was being escorted out.

And it's kinda cool how Kerry pointed at him to ask his questions if time had indeed ran out. Doesn't look like he forced anything there.

Even so, if a cop tells you that they will taze you if you don't allow them to cuff you and you continue screaming and flailing about, what outcome do you expect?

[Algol Devilstar]

waaaaaaaaaaaa, do all your vajayjays hurt or some shit? Fucking dumbshit got what he asked for. Here's a hint: When police(or campus sec) tell you to do something DO IT. Not only did he resist being taken out, but he kept resisting when it was clear he was about to be handcuffed. I hope he got the shit shocked outta him. No one cares about your martyrism.

[Eduardo]

Arm yourselves.

[Twobit Whore]

Originally Posted by Kilivek2.0

the problem is with the people that chose to have him removed for no good reason.

the police officers had to get him out of there.

For once I have to agree with you. Of course when the situation reached a climax like that the only outcome was going to be him subdued and handcuffed one way or the other, tasering included.. but it shouldn't have come to that. He wasn't that out of line, Kerry was fine with the questioning and was prepared to respond. That's what should have happened, but someone was uncomfortable with the person asking questions tougher than 'what's it like being a politician and do you like A1 on your steak?' and pushed the panic button.

[TKarrde]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

You should watch it from this angle because it tells a slightly different story. You can see early into his 'question' that someone whispers to the police officer to stop him, and the mic wasn't shut off until his very last sentence after he said 'blowjob' and he certainly wasn't shouting the rest of his questions at that point because he was being escorted out.

And it's kinda cool how Kerry pointed at him to ask his questions if time had indeed ran out. Doesn't look like he forced anything there.

The video doesn't show it all. The kid showed up in the middle of a previous question, and interrupted. Kerry said he would get to it, and finished the other kid's question, and then pointed for the guy who caused the whole ruckus to continue.

Daily Kos: Eyewitness Account of the Student Tazering

He gut cut off for saying blowjob, and then continued on about skull and bones afterwards.


And Kerry has commented as well.

John Kerry For Senate :: Kerry Statement on Florida Campus Incident

Originally Posted by John Kerry

"In 37 years of public appearances, through wars, protests and highly emotional events, I have never had a dialogue end this way. I believe I could have handled the situation without interruption, but I do not know what warnings or other exchanges transpired between the young man and the police prior to his barging to the front of the line and their intervention. I asked the police to allow me to answer the question and was in the process of responding when he was taken into custody. I was not aware that a taser was used until after I left the building. I hope that neither the student nor any of the police were injured. I regret enormously that a good healthy discussion was interrupted."

Kerry gave him every chance to be civil. The police spoke to him after he first barged in. None of the videos have shown him running up to the front of the line, but every eye witness account, including that of Kerry, have said he did so. Every video cuts in after he's already cut in line, and spoken with and been warned by the police, and has already jumped into his tirade while on the microphone.

[Eduardo]

Originally Posted by Angerz

Police don't differentiate situations between a crackhead on the street and a kid in a college auditorium.

And this is OK? This is one possible outcome of the hiring and training practices. For instance, many precincts now hire those with an IQ less than some set level. Easier to train, easier to control, more likely to blindly follow orders.

Their power is arbitrary. If one understands how the entire system is truly setup, one sees that they only have power because the sheep allow it.

Oh, and they have tazers and guns.

Take those away and what is left? An angry psychotic with a control complex. "DO IT NOW!!! COMPLY OR YOU WILL BE TAZERED!!!"

The majority anyhow. There are the few good cops. The reason there are only a few is that good cops leave the system once they realize how it works. I know many good ex-cops that told me this.

[antha124]

Are you allowed to defend yourself against a police officer if you aren't under arrest?

"When police(or campus sec) tell you to do something DO IT"

wtf? lol. Fucked up way of thinking man. You can't concede total control over to them. I think him actually putting up alittle resistance and getting tazered helped show that the police can be way out of line sometimes. Hope he sues all those fucks, the school and the person who whispered in that cops ear to get him out of there.

[Tuco]

Got what he deserved. Policy brutality, this is not.

[Braen]

haha Rodney King... Priceless.

Someone should have screamed Attica Attica!

[TKarrde]

Originally Posted by antha124

Hope he sues all those fucks, the school and the person who whispered in that cops ear to get him out of there.

He'll lose. There's way too much proof to show that he was violently resisting arrest.

[Eduardo]

Originally Posted by antha124

Are you allowed to defend yourself against a police officer if you aren't under arrest?

We should defend ourselves. The founders would have wanted us to.

We have been quite literally conditioned to think that we can't, shouldn't, i.e. that they are always right and we must comply. It's just one small part of the Psy Op that we have been under for the last 70 years at least.