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Old 08-26-2007, 07:27 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Any help?

i've been entering answers into the fucking problem for about an hour now and can't get a damn break...

anyone know their shit so they can save the day?
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Old 08-26-2007, 09:37 PM   #2 (permalink)
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need more info, what period time are we talking, here. You have beginning, and ending velocity, but not a duration for the change.

I see the small 25s up in the formula

Acceleration = Delta Velocity / Delta Time

A = 200 - 18 / 25

A = 182 / 25 = 7.28m/s^2

And acceleration can't be negative. Acceleration is not a directional force.

Edit: Fuck Physics II and Gauss, but Physics I was my bitch.
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Old 08-26-2007, 09:54 PM   #3 (permalink)
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And acceleration can't be negative. Acceleration is not a directional force..
I haven't taken a Physics class since freshman year in college, and it wasn't my specialty, but I seem to remember that negative acceleration = slowing down. So it can be negative. And logically, I would think that one's acceleration just after opening a parachute would be slightly negative. Remember that acceleration is not velocity; it is the rate of change in velocity. During that brief moment when you shift from free fall to parachute, you decelerate (i.e., slow down) a tiny bit. So I would think the answer would be negative here.

Also found this on Google, which kind of confuses things a bit further:

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An object in free fall has a negative acceleration even though it is increasing speed. It is negative because the object is moving in a negative direction.
So, umm, I dunno. I'll stop dumb blonding my way through a Physics thread now, but I just wanted to share this stuff! Take it with a grain of salt, because like I said, I really don't know what I'm talking about on this subject.
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Old 08-26-2007, 10:07 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Acceleration is not a vector, and thus should not be negative.

The only thing I can think of here is that your acceleration due to gravity changes with your distance, but that should be negligible.

What are you studying? That is always a good indication of what they are asking you to do. Are you given any more information or is this it?
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Old 08-27-2007, 05:43 AM   #5 (permalink)
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acceleration can be negative

velocity increasing in negative direction = negative acceleration.

7.28 = wrong btw.
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Old 08-27-2007, 05:49 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Acceleration is the derivative of velocity which is the derivative of position.
Acceleration can be negative specifically because it isn't a vector, it's a rate of change.
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Old 08-27-2007, 05:58 AM   #7 (permalink)
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back to the oringinal question please?
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Old 08-27-2007, 06:00 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Btw, the speeds are in km/h, while the acceleration requests m/s^2. So the instantenous acceleration is needs to be the same? Convert it.
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Old 08-27-2007, 06:02 AM   #9 (permalink)
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the problem is with his method is that deceleration won't be gradual over 25 seconds like that.

When you open a parachute it's accompanied by rapid jolt deceleration and then slowing down. that's what that equation shows...
However solving for the derivative of that equation at any given time gives a slope of like -2. don't know maybe i'm missing something upon entering it.
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Old 08-27-2007, 06:06 AM   #10 (permalink)
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I hate math... especially at 8am...

200km/h = 200000m/h = 55.555m/s
18km/h = 18000m/h = 5m/s

working on it...
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Old 08-27-2007, 06:10 AM   #11 (permalink)
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d (55.5555 + 50.555e^(-x/25),x,0) = 106.111111

dy/dx (0,106.111) = -2.02222 m/s^2 ???
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Old 08-27-2007, 06:15 AM   #12 (permalink)
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wrong.

same shit i got. i dont know what the deal is.
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Old 08-27-2007, 06:19 AM   #13 (permalink)
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googled the speed of the skydiver, standard conversion is 200km/h = 56m/s

-2.04 is what I got by using 56 + 51e^(-x/25)

try 2.04 or -2.04 just for kicks? I hope you don't have a limited # of tries
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Old 08-27-2007, 06:23 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Way over my head, but here's my contribution.

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Old 08-27-2007, 06:33 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Logically... you're going from 56m/s to 5m/s or a ~50m/s difference. The average with a 25s drag time has to be around -2 m/s^2 acceleration. The parachute doesn't give you one sudden speed change, it gives a constant air resistance so the acceleration throughout the whole period should be nearly constant, around -2.

Only other suggestion is to assume the answer was derived by an idiot who didn't realize terminal velocity is 0.0 acceleration, so try -9.81 + 2 = -7.81 or -7.82
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