Ron Paul, does he stand a chance? - Page 80

Gahid · 12-30-2007, 10:59 PM

Someone buy this man a cup of coffee!

vurt · 12-30-2007, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by chaos

Same for VA.

Let me ask, seriously, does anyone actually believe anything that a candidate says? Thomspon and lolredtruck? Giuliani was THERE man, in the shit at the WTC, or Hillary will change the entire world and make it into Candyland, Obama will do the same thing but with more black power, Edwards will under no circumstances sell out! It's all bullshit. I mean, we all know they are wholly owned subsidiaries of business interests, but people sit around and talk about "legitimate" candidates or "i think soandso can really get the job done!" and it makes me ill.

Lol.

Soriak · 12-30-2007, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by chaos

Same for VA.

Let me ask, seriously, does anyone actually believe anything that a candidate says? Thomspon and lolredtruck? Giuliani was THERE man, in the shit at the WTC, or Hillary will change the entire world and make it into Candyland, Obama will do the same thing but with more black power, Edwards will under no circumstances sell out! It's all bullshit. I mean, we all know they are wholly owned subsidiaries of business interests, but people sit around and talk about "legitimate" candidates or "i think soandso can really get the job done!" and it makes me ill.

Best way to show it to the man is to not vote at all. That'll teach them a lesson

chaos · 12-31-2007, 11:42 AM

Maybe it is, I know you're being sarcastic, but what is the real answer? Picking the lesser of two dumbasses until the end of time? There is no real choice in candidates, they are are representing the interests of one facet or another of corporate America. So what is the answer?

Soriak · 12-31-2007, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by chaos

Maybe it is, I know you're being sarcastic, but what is the real answer? Picking the lesser of two dumbasses until the end of time? There is no real choice in candidates, they are are representing the interests of one facet or another of corporate America. So what is the answer?

You pick the guy (or gal) you agree with most, even if he or she doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning. Chances are, there is someone who gets close to your views? The whole concept of voting where it does the most good seems suspect, because it shuts out anyone who isn't in the field from the get go. It's something Ron Paul probably feels, I'm sure he'd have at least a little more support if people didn't gamble on electability.

As for the general "you" (not everyone has time for this, after all) - there's always the option of running for some local office yourself. Or to get a friend to do it... there ought to be at least one person you can get behind.

Disillusionment can be a big problem in a democracy... because it's the moderates who lose faith first, leaving the election to the fundamentalists.

edit: btw, I do think it makes a difference who gets elected. Even if neither side is particulary appealing, two choices are unlikely to be equally bad. Sucks to vote for the lesser of two evils, but if not doing so means the bigger evil wins, it's still worth it.

chaos · 12-31-2007, 12:49 PM

Then who is the bigger evil? Bush or Kerry? Oil or insurance interests? Both are horribly evil. We use words like evil, or legitimate, or populist, or whatever to mask the truth, that out of all of these candidates, none of them are really for us. I'm not necessarily saying Paul is the answer, I'm voting for him anyway, because fuck it, at least he doesn't take money from corporations. Anyone who takes millions of dollars from corporations is beholden to them, I really don't see how we are supposed to make the distinction of who is a bigger sellout than who, who will possibly serve their corporate masters to a lesser desgree than who.

voodoochile78 · 12-31-2007, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by chaos

I'm not necessarily saying Paul is the answer, I'm voting for him anyway, because fuck it, at least he doesn't take money from corporations. Anyone who takes millions of dollars from corporations is beholden to them, I really don't see how we are supposed to make the distinction of who is a bigger sellout than who, who will possibly serve their corporate masters to a lesser desgree than who.

If you're really voting for Paul then that means you're a registered Republican. Otherwise, I would have told you to vote for John Edwards in your State's primary. He does not take lobbyist money, has made a vow to ban all corporate lobbyists from working in his administration, and has agreed to run a clean election by accepting federal matching funds so that he cannot be reliant on corporate dollars.

And then you'll have a candidate who believes in Evolution, doesn't want to take us back to the 10th century when it comes to economics, and isn't a filthy racist piece of shit.

chaos · 12-31-2007, 06:23 PM

In Virginia, I don't have to register Republican to vote for Paul.

Vatoreus · 12-31-2007, 06:24 PM

who's racist?

chaos · 12-31-2007, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Vatoreus

who's racist?

He's commenting on the statements from Paul's newsletter that he didn't make and didn't endorse.

Vatoreus · 12-31-2007, 06:32 PM

I know.

FulorianC · 12-31-2007, 08:19 PM

Who the fuck cares if he believes in evolution or not? That's only relevant with a candidate like Huckabee, who would force it to be taught in schools. Paul won't force his beliefs on the country, with one small exception (3rd trimester abortions).

voodoochile78 · 12-31-2007, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by chaos

He's commenting on the statements from Paul's newsletter that he didn't make and didn't endorse.

Yeah, Ron Paul did not write for the Ron Paul Review under the author name of Ron Paul.

In addition to that, there was his performance this week on Meet The Press with Tim Russert where he came out against the Civil War as a means to end slavery, and said that he would vote against the 1964 Civil Rights Act if the vote were held today.

He also hates Mexcians so much that he was against entering into a Totalization Agreement with Mexico to end the double taxation of legal Mexican workers when it comes to Social Security.

Here is a list of other countries that we have Totalization Agreements with, and when that agreement was made:

Italy (November 1, 1978 )
Germany (December 1, 1979)
Switzerland (November 1, 1980)
Belgium (July 1, 1984)
Norway (July 1, 1984)
Canada (August 1, 1984)
United Kingdom (January 1, 1985)
Sweden (January 1, 1987)
Spain (April 1, 1988)
France (July 1, 1988)
Portugal (August 1, 1989)
Netherlands (November 1, 1990)
Austria (November 1, 1991)
Finland (November 1, 1992)
Ireland (September 1, 1993)
Luxembourg November (1, 1993)
Greece September (1, 1994)
South Korea April (1, 2001)
Chile December (1, 2001)
Australia (October 1, 2002)
Japan October (1, 2005)

Ending double-taxation on Social Security? Surely you must know with 100% certainty where a libertarian stands on such an issue, right?

Well Ron Paul hates Mexicans so much that he thinks legal Mexican workers should be double-taxed, unlike legal workers from other, mostly white, countries.

The Great Global Social Security Giveaway?

Wait, why am I wasting my time with this? You think that Ron Paul didn't write for the Ron Paul Review under the author name of "Ron Paul."

chaos · 12-31-2007, 08:58 PM

Good, don't waste your time then, go shill for Clinton or whoever, I don't give a fuck. I don't want your opinion on politics, you have proven in your posts that you are a party man. You are the flip side of Khorum, you just can't see it.

darksensei · 12-31-2007, 09:11 PM

Voodoochille has been on my ignore list why can I see his posts?

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12-30-2007, 10:59 PM	#1186 (permalink)
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12-31-2007, 11:42 AM	#1189 (permalink)
chaos Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: NoVa Posts: 7,162 +29 Internets	Maybe it is, I know you're being sarcastic, but what is the real answer? Picking the lesser of two dumbasses until the end of time? There is no real choice in candidates, they are are representing the interests of one facet or another of corporate America. So what is the answer?

12-31-2007, 12:49 PM	#1191 (permalink)
chaos Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: NoVa Posts: 7,162 +29 Internets	Then who is the bigger evil? Bush or Kerry? Oil or insurance interests? Both are horribly evil. We use words like evil, or legitimate, or populist, or whatever to mask the truth, that out of all of these candidates, none of them are really for us. I'm not necessarily saying Paul is the answer, I'm voting for him anyway, because fuck it, at least he doesn't take money from corporations. Anyone who takes millions of dollars from corporations is beholden to them, I really don't see how we are supposed to make the distinction of who is a bigger sellout than who, who will possibly serve their corporate masters to a lesser desgree than who.

12-31-2007, 06:23 PM	#1193 (permalink)
chaos Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: NoVa Posts: 7,162 +29 Internets	In Virginia, I don't have to register Republican to vote for Paul.

12-31-2007, 08:19 PM	#1197 (permalink)
FulorianC Real Life Apologist Join Date: May 2003 Location: Denton, Texas Posts: 2,036	Who the fuck cares if he believes in evolution or not? That's only relevant with a candidate like Huckabee, who would force it to be taught in schools. Paul won't force his beliefs on the country, with one small exception (3rd trimester abortions).

12-31-2007, 08:58 PM	#1199 (permalink)
chaos Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: NoVa Posts: 7,162 +29 Internets	Good, don't waste your time then, go shill for Clinton or whoever, I don't give a fuck. I don't want your opinion on politics, you have proven in your posts that you are a party man. You are the flip side of Khorum, you just can't see it.

12-31-2007, 09:11 PM	#1200 (permalink)
darksensei Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,063	Voodoochille has been on my ignore list why can I see his posts?