Ron Paul, does he stand a chance?

[Warrik]

Ron Paul stands no chance, simply because he lacks the capital that McCain and Rudy can muster up.


Its sad, but in a way its the reason why he can freely speak his mind with little regard to political repercussions. The same way Al Gore has far greater appeal as a presidential candidate now, than he did when he was actually running. When politicians find themselves with nothing to lose, they often speak the will of the people in very clear language without all the policial double talk that candidate use while campaigning.

[dechire]

you know i dont know why everyone has to find "one" reason that the muslims are rather angry towards us. I believe that its a whole lot of factors and while a major contributing factor is that we have been over there for the last 30 years. They also hate us for what we are, to them we are Babylon or Sodom, it also helps recruit the young to talk about us that way. I think the biggest underlying issue is really money and jobs, they want them and they don't have them.

I would love to see Ron Paul elected, i would also like to see Obama elected for a very simple reason - change. This country for the last few presidents has had some minor success and major failures, Clinton gets impeached for a bj while Bush, whose satasifaction polls are somewhere around 25% of the population after having been much higher, still refuses to listen to the people.

[Soriak]

Obama/Paul ticket... might just be a healing sign of bipartisanship.

I wonder if today someone still needs $200m+ to have a chance at getting elected... a 30second clip on TV is no longer the best way to spread your message. While most voters still aren't as 'connected' as I'd like, the Internet has become a major battleground. It's very cheap to have a website up and youtube is good to get debate rounds off cable and to the masses.

[Quineloe]

Originally Posted by Kiroy

I'd especially like to see what Europe looks like 10 years after we completely remove ourselves from the Middle East.
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Hello, you're talking about the most bloodthirsty continent on this planet here. What makes you think these sand niggers could take over here? We pushed them back time and time again when they tried to come over.

[Kiroy]

Originally Posted by Quineloe

Hello, you're talking about the most bloodthirsty continent on this planet here. What makes you think these sand niggers could take over here? We pushed them back time and time again when they tried to come over.

lol I love brits (assuming your a brit).

If you're french Ill eat my shoe.

[chaos]

Originally Posted by Kiroy

It would be funny if we completely pulled out of the Middle East, and I'm all for it, but not for the normal reasons.

After a couple years of genocide and chaos which would make Africa look like Disneyland, the lefty's will be screaming that we need to get in there and help save the people. This would be funny.

Let's not even speak of the $8/gallon gas.

If we weren't playing god over there for the past some odd years, the place would either be Darfur x 10, or a Sharia law ruled superpower. That would be funtastic for everyone ya?

I'd especially like to see what Europe looks like 10 years after we completely remove ourselves from the Middle East.

p.s. Soriak - the attack on Edwards wasn't so much is haircut, but the fact that he preaches '2 America's' and then get's a $400 haircut. Hypocrite.

Don't get me wrong though, the attacks are just as stupid as the politicians. Every one of them are hypocrite’s by nature. It's like scolding a monkey for climbing trees.

Yes all politicians are hypocrits to some degree, but the haircut thing wasn't. He preaches teh 2 America's thing because it';s true, it's pretty obvious which one he belongs to. I'm more disgusted when multi-millionaire candidates do stupid shit to try and appeal to the poor, huddled masses when it's clear they don't live the same lifestyle as us.

As for Ron Paul, it's funny because he kinds of stands for what true conservatism was supposed to be about, and look at the conservatives attack him.I wonder why that is? nah I know, but it's so sad and so pathetic.

The Middle East would actually probably be better off without us there. Yeah maybe they would explode in an orgy of violence, but probably not. I subscribe to Bill Maher's idea that the people who are predicting that if we leave the ME it will explode into violence are the same people who predicted everything about the Iraq war, and have historically ALWAYS been wrong.

[Quineloe]

Originally Posted by Kiroy

lol I love brits (assuming your a brit).

If you're french Ill eat my shoe.

neither.
My avatar could tell you

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[Kiroy]

Originally Posted by chaos

Yes all politicians are hypocrits to some degree, but the haircut thing wasn't. He preaches teh 2 America's thing because it';s true, it's pretty obvious which one he belongs to. I'm more disgusted when multi-millionaire candidates do stupid shit to try and appeal to the poor,

He preaches against two America’s, while living a lifestyle which supports two America’s. It's the definition of being a hypocrite. It’s almost as bad as Al Gore preaching individual responsibility, and then individually causing 25x more pollution then 99% of everyone else.

[Kiroy]

Originally Posted by Quineloe

neither.
My avatar could tell you

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I was looking at the guys picture as I was typing my post thinking "he's going to say 'duh look at my avatar'". So - who the hell is that guy?

[chaos]

Al Gore lives in a goddamn mansion, it's got like 20 rooms, and then he gets compared (by his political enemies, who live the same lifestyle as him) to the average American. We don't elect the average Americans to office. We elect these rich fucks. Edwards' lifestyle only supports 2 America's because he is a politician, a 400 dollar haircut does not = whitey keeping us down.

And they are both correct. Gore that each individual should do what they can (which he does but that's an easy one to gloss over) and Edwards that there is a definite class system in America. Really it's a dumb thing to even focus on, and is part of the agenda of the politicians, to focus on these minute details rather than the debate. As long as we aren't doing any critical thinking and are instead thinking about John Edwards getting a haircut, they win.

[Millie]

Originally Posted by chaos

As for Ron Paul, it's funny because he kinds of stands for what true conservatism was supposed to be about, and look at the conservatives attack him.I wonder why that is? nah I know, but it's so sad and so pathetic.

Exactly. Conservatism is supposed to be about small/unobtrusive government, responsible spending and budgeting, individual rights, noninterventionism, etc.

And yet, 99% of the Republicans who've run for (or held) office in the last 30 years have done a complete 180 from that system of beliefs. They've spent wildly, started costly wars (often, though not always, for the wrong reasons), sent federal budgets into utter turmoil, and placed severe limitations on citizens' rights (Patriot Act, etc.). Bush Jr. is probably the worst offender in over a century, but his father was no saint either. Nor was Reagan, despite the demigodlike status he currently enjoys in Republican circles. We're quick to forget that Reagan had his share of scandals and costly military adventures, and that he fucked our economy up but good. He gets a lot of (mostly undue) credit for "bringing down" a Soviet Union that had one foot in the grave by the time he took office, and collapsed on its own accord.

Now, I consider myself a moderate, but I lean toward conservative governing values. That said, I've had a very hard time countenancing the performance in office of any of the Republicans in my lifetime. GWB is a whole new species of fuckwit, but his predecessors weren't superstars either.

I'd vote for Ron Paul in a heartbeat if he actually won the primary. But I think this is a virtual impossibility, given that he lacks the funding to win, and given that the Republican party has been completely hijacked by jingoistic rednecks who fear nuance, and who wouldn't know a good candidate from the holes in their heads.

That said, I'd still vote for McCain or Romney over Hillary Clinton. Barack Obama? That's a different story. If he won the Dem primary, he'd give me something to think about. All said and done, however, Romney is my current "realistic" choice, and Paul is my "idealistic" choice.

Giuliani can kiss my ass. I'm not interested in 4 more years of George W. Bush, thank you very much.

[Quineloe]

Originally Posted by Kiroy

I was looking at the guys picture as I was typing my post thinking "he's going to say 'duh look at my avatar'". So - who the hell is that guy?

King Ludwig II of Bavaria

[Rhaze]

I liked McCain until he decided to run for president and became a total nut-job. Talking about a rosey vision of how Iraq stands.


That's the thing about this election there are some new, fresh faces, who i believe could do a lot of good for this country, but as everyone seems to point out, people claim they want a new direction, but no one votes.

And for the idiot that said Rudy owned Ron, are you kidding me ? Ron actually wrote up a recommended reading list for Rudy which included the 9/11 report and many other books so Rudy could get educated on the subject.

I know it's "taboo" to talk about 9/11 and talk about the "war on terror" which as maher put it was just as effective as the "war on poverty" and the "war on drugs".

We aren't at war with another "nation" or another "army" we are at war against small groups who are spread out throughout the world, tell me how you fight that?

3 pages deep and this political thread isn't a shitstorm yet, nice to see.

[Kiroy]

Originally Posted by chaos

Al Gore lives in a goddamn mansion, it's got like 20 rooms, and then he gets compared (by his political enemies, who live the same lifestyle as him) to the average American. We don't elect the average Americans to office. We elect these rich fucks. Edwards' lifestyle only supports 2 America's because he is a politician, a 400 dollar haircut does not = whitey keeping us down.

And they are both correct. Gore that each individual should do what they can (which he does but that's an easy one to gloss over) and Edwards that there is a definite class system in America. Really it's a dumb thing to even focus on, and is part of the agenda of the politicians, to focus on these minute details rather than the debate. As long as we aren't doing any critical thinking and are instead thinking about John Edwards getting a haircut, they win.

I don't fully understand what you're saying? You're giving them a pass because they call themselves politicians?

Of course a 400 dollar haircut doesn't keep us down, but why vote for a guy who's running on a 2 America's platform, when his actions make it crystal clear he could give a fuck about 2 America's and it's just his 'hook' to get into power. Every national politician in my adult life has done the same shit. It's disgusting.

It boggles my mind when politicians and commentators’ bitch about less then 50% of America voting, insinuating that the people who don't vote are idiots and/or don't care. It's the total opposite. People don't vote because they can actually see through all the bullshit, and they understand our political system is completely broken.

It's funny, because the machine that keeps our system going tells us that if we feel this way, we should vote for change... yet when people vote for an independent they are called a fucktard’s for wasting their vote.

We've set up our political system so that our perception that we can vote for change is a complete illusion. There's no such thing as voting for change. You’re just 2 different types of shit (hard and runny? Hehe).

[Kugbok_Fennin]

Originally Posted by Dokomo

We need someone with a PhD to be President. Woodrow Wilson, our only one, did a pretty good job.

Ron Paul is a doctor.