Irony - Page 2

Kiroy · 03-01-2007, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by WarderX

This is kinda dumb. The average american home is 2200 sq feet. A (suburban) mansion is like 30000 sq feet. Of course they are going to be different.

What rule says that just because you're rich you need 30000 sq.

Rune · 03-01-2007, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Kiroy

What rule says that just because you're rich you need 30000 sq.

Actually thinking about the enormity of those bills who wants to bet Gore gets hit with some jailtime for the massive hydro chronic lab he's got in the basement.

gn0me · 03-03-2007, 07:45 AM

It's true. Al Gore loves the home grown.

Soriak · 03-03-2007, 10:36 AM

Al Gore works out of his house, so keep in mind there's also a lot of staff there. Any home business uses more power than one only used for living - even more so in the case of a Vice President. Correct me if I'm wrong, but he has a Secret Service detail for life? That also pretty much precludes him from flying commercial.

Whoever called offsetting a scam: it's not. It's a very simple process - if you can't cut your carbon emissions, you pay someone to reduce theirs by that amount. Often times this is much cheaper than reducing emissions yourself, hence more efficient. ie if you need to spend $100,000 renovating your house to be more efficient, but you can reduce the same emissions with $3,000/year installing solar panels in India - the latter provides the same outcome, but is more efficient and hence preferable.

How efficient it is, is apparent in a current issue in Switzerland. A company wants to build a new gas/oil combi power plant. This would lead to more CO2 emissions, and if they get permission to build the plant, they'll have to offset those emissions. Now the question is: do they have to offset it in Switzerland (too expensive to even break even with the plant), or do it a few miles away in Germany or France (MUCH cheaper) - obviously the latter makes economic sense, as the outcome will be exactly the same. (and the same as not building the plant at all)
Whether they can do it is, however, a political question.

So, as long as you offset your CO2 emissions, it doesn't matter how much you pump in the air. But if everyone would offset theirs, the cost of doing so would increase rapidly. Right now, almost no one does it though.

By the way: the energy company said they never got a request for his home electricity bill and never released it - the number may just be made up.

Laek · 03-03-2007, 12:33 PM

Trading pollution credits maybe a retarded idea but then I guess thats why it was a big part of Bush's environmental plan.

Eomer · 03-05-2007, 08:59 AM

Why is it retarded? The only way companies will ever reduce their pollution is the same as it for anything else in the business: make it profitable for them to do so. Or rather, make pollution have a cost. Because for the vast majority of companies, pollution has ZERO effect on their bottom line, and subsequently, why would they give a shit about it?

Carbon trading basically helps introduce the power of markets into finding solutions to pollution.

Slide · 03-05-2007, 09:52 AM

I don't see the point, sure he burns carbon like shit or whatever. I'm fairly sure the work he's done on raising awareness and cutting global carbon has offset his lifestyle 10000 over.

Dirus · 03-05-2007, 10:26 AM

Look, Im sure Al Gore could cut back on his energy use, but to compare his use to the "average american" home is a little foolish. As others have mentioned, between his staff, working from home, and the fact that he has a big ass house...he is going to use more energy. Could he live in a smaller home? Sure...and he likely should if he is going to be a leader in the energy debate.

My issue is this: Since this story broke I have heard from no less than half a dozen people that "global warming is total bullshit". When asked why they think that they quote this story. They actually think that global warming is made up because Al Gore doesnt exactly practice what he preachers.

Tristinn · 03-05-2007, 01:17 PM

Wow, it is great to see you assholes all taking it up the ass from Sean Fucking Hannity and just begging for more.

Dis · 03-05-2007, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Tristinn

Wow, it is great to see you assholes all taking it up the ass from Sean Fucking Hannity and just begging for more.

IM CEREAL GUYS!

03-03-2007, 07:45 AM	#18 (permalink)
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03-03-2007, 10:36 AM	#19 (permalink)
Soriak Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 5,071 +38 Internets	Al Gore works out of his house, so keep in mind there's also a lot of staff there. Any home business uses more power than one only used for living - even more so in the case of a Vice President. Correct me if I'm wrong, but he has a Secret Service detail for life? That also pretty much precludes him from flying commercial. Whoever called offsetting a scam: it's not. It's a very simple process - if you can't cut your carbon emissions, you pay someone to reduce theirs by that amount. Often times this is much cheaper than reducing emissions yourself, hence more efficient. ie if you need to spend $100,000 renovating your house to be more efficient, but you can reduce the same emissions with $3,000/year installing solar panels in India - the latter provides the same outcome, but is more efficient and hence preferable. How efficient it is, is apparent in a current issue in Switzerland. A company wants to build a new gas/oil combi power plant. This would lead to more CO2 emissions, and if they get permission to build the plant, they'll have to offset those emissions. Now the question is: do they have to offset it in Switzerland (too expensive to even break even with the plant), or do it a few miles away in Germany or France (MUCH cheaper) - obviously the latter makes economic sense, as the outcome will be exactly the same. (and the same as not building the plant at all) Whether they can do it is, however, a political question. So, as long as you offset your CO2 emissions, it doesn't matter how much you pump in the air. But if everyone would offset theirs, the cost of doing so would increase rapidly. Right now, almost no one does it though. By the way: the energy company said they never got a request for his home electricity bill and never released it - the number may just be made up.

03-03-2007, 12:33 PM	#20 (permalink)
Laek Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 559 -2 Internets	Trading pollution credits maybe a retarded idea but then I guess thats why it was a big part of Bush's environmental plan.

03-05-2007, 08:59 AM	#21 (permalink)
Eomer You mean I can change this? Neat! Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 10,573 +43 Internets	Why is it retarded? The only way companies will ever reduce their pollution is the same as it for anything else in the business: make it profitable for them to do so. Or rather, make pollution have a cost. Because for the vast majority of companies, pollution has ZERO effect on their bottom line, and subsequently, why would they give a shit about it? Carbon trading basically helps introduce the power of markets into finding solutions to pollution.

03-05-2007, 09:52 AM	#22 (permalink)
Slide Limey Bastard Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 744 -3 Internets	I don't see the point, sure he burns carbon like shit or whatever. I'm fairly sure the work he's done on raising awareness and cutting global carbon has offset his lifestyle 10000 over.

03-05-2007, 10:26 AM	#23 (permalink)
Dirus Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 142 +0 Internets	Look, Im sure Al Gore could cut back on his energy use, but to compare his use to the "average american" home is a little foolish. As others have mentioned, between his staff, working from home, and the fact that he has a big ass house...he is going to use more energy. Could he live in a smaller home? Sure...and he likely should if he is going to be a leader in the energy debate. My issue is this: Since this story broke I have heard from no less than half a dozen people that "global warming is total bullshit". When asked why they think that they quote this story. They actually think that global warming is made up because Al Gore doesnt exactly practice what he preachers.

03-05-2007, 01:17 PM	#24 (permalink)
Tristinn In Tyler we Trust Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 445 -13 Internets	Wow, it is great to see you assholes all taking it up the ass from Sean Fucking Hannity and just begging for more.