Warhammer / 40k

[Regime]

Alright so it has been about a 4 year hiatus and now I am playing again. I am going to ethier buy a new Necron army or Add on to my Ork/Chaos armies. I just wanted to get some feedback from you guys what has changed etc. I hear 4th ed. 40k is due out in 2008 and Dark Eldar are going the way of the Stunies =(. With Portent.net down it kinda sucks since that was the website I always browsed.

Anyways this thread can be about what armies you got/play etc and any GW game including Necromunda.

Let the Galaxy burn

[Tea on tuesday]

Dark Eldar are staying, but the are currently or at least as of a few months ago on bit status, so it's ebay for the most part if you want to play them.

4th Edition has been out for awhile, no news on 5th, but I should hope it would still be aways off.

Most memorable rules changes are the way consolidation/advancing works, close combat rules, uh barrage/guess weaponry changed...at least that I can remember - 3rd edition rules are kind of fuzzy now. you should probably read over a 4th edition rulebook, as I recall a lot of stuff changed, but it's mostly pretty subtle with a few exceptions.

My first army was Necrons, at the end of 2nd edition, begging of 3rd. I never got big into them once they actually got their codex though, and really playing Necrons for over a decade is mind-blowingly boring. Actually I don't think I ever bought a single Necron after their models got updated. Scarabs also used to be way more badass...and horribly broken.

Actually, the first 40k stuff I ever bought were some genestealers and some assorted Tyranids, which would eventually give rise to a horrendously large Tyranid army, comprised entirely of really ugly very old school tyranid models and packs: 1 tyrant, 3 guard, 10 warriors, 6 zoanthropes, 2 carnifexes, 4 biovores, 1 lictor, 48 genestealers, 36 hormogaunts, ~60ish termagaunts...and it feels like I'm leaving something out. I'm in the process of stripping their old paint and giving them a bit fresher look, but jesus there's just so god damn many. I haven't even finished the termagaunts yet.

My off and on romance is a Harlequin army, which I deeply love and hate. They are awesome and terrible and painting them is an exercise in masochism...hopefully I can post a pic or two tomorrow.

[Regime]

Sweet ya I was thinking about a Bug army. They always have facinated me since Space Hulk.

That's cool about Dark Eldar. How is Chaos doing ? Last I checked they rocked in both Fantasy and 40k. I still have dreams of making a complete Emperor's Childeren complete with small speakers on the rhinos and rockin Noise Marines.

[Throag]

How do you plan on stripping the old paint without damaging the models? I remember trying once.... for a shitty result

[Taloo]

Used to be easy before they fagged it all up with pretty much everything being plastic. I miss my 50lb tackle box.

2nd Edition Eldar 4 lyfe I gave Chaos a try in 3rd but the local hobby shop I played at closed down before I could actually field the army. Hated 3rd edition rules anyways. I always had more fun painting/converting than playing anyways. Making terrain was a blast too... Fuck actually playing hte modeling itself was where its at.

On a sidenote getting a pewter Daemon Prince on top of a Juggernaught of Khorne was a bitch of a project. prince was like 50% modeling putty when I was finished.

[AngryGerbil]

I quit during 2nd ed. with my Chaos army of uberosity and my half-assed abortive Ork army of me always getting my ass kicked. IIRC my strat with the Orks was hordes of Gretchin to eat death while my Storm Boyz would leap in and slice the shit out of anything they touched in hand-to-hand. I never got it to work though, got pissed, saw the Necrons, thought they were gay as gay, and quit.

I have nothing to add. Was kind of hoping for a nostaligia thread.

[Benito Fireslinger]

I had my startup 10k space marine army that was nice. But shortly after going to my first real tourney I switched to Chaos. Built a nice 5k army and then only played with my friends.

I was able to get my hands on some squats but I was never able to build a decent army with them.

[Kasonic]

Originally Posted by Taloo

Used to be easy before they fagged it all up with pretty much everything being plastic. I miss my 50lb tackle box.

Screw that. Plastic is cheaper(although I wouldn't call anything GW sells cheap), lighter, goes together easier and is a helluva lot easier to mod.

I recently bought one of these for my Tau/SM and I love it, even if it's pricey like the rest of this hobby:

Intersponge: The more efficient Miniature Transport

[Benito Fireslinger]

i had a kick ass tacklebox that was modded to hold all my stuff.

[Erronius]

Originally Posted by Regime

Alright so it has been about a 4 year hiatus and now I am playing again. I am going to ethier buy a new Necron army or Add on to my Ork/Chaos armies. I just wanted to get some feedback from you guys what has changed etc. I hear 4th ed. 40k is due out in 2008 and Dark Eldar are going the way of the Stunies =(. With Portent.net down it kinda sucks since that was the website I always browsed.

Anyways this thread can be about what armies you got/play etc and any GW game including Necromunda.

Let the Galaxy burn

Well I don't think I've heard of the Dark Eldar getting shelved, though that rumour has been swirling for some time now.

Tea on Tuesday nailed a lot of it, but I would add in the changes to enclosed troop transports so you really cannot rhino-rush with a CC army and jump right out. I admit that rushing armies were a PITA, but so were Tau/I.G. armies that sat back and never moved after deploymeny /shrug. I preferred just insisting on playing a lot of scenarios in order to highlight a need for some manuevarable units and to hamstring sit&shoot army lists, but GW felt different I guess. This had a huge affect on many of the armies in our group of players, and after the initial grumbles we just went on a Fantasy spree and have been playing that rather than 40k ever since. Even though I have tons of raptors/bikes so that the rhino nerf didn't really crush my list, I wasn't happy in any event.

I'd take a look at the people you'd be playing against before deciding to play Necrons, if only that in the store we ran people eventually just refused to play against Necrons. If they don't care about Necrons, then /shrug, but here it was a big issue.

I could have sworn that Orks were supposed to get a review this year after Eldar and Dark Angels, but I could be wrong on that info. Maybe some one else can back me up on that, and if so, I'd wait until that happens. Personally I'd love to start an ork army for 40k, but the vehicles I like the most are from Forgeworld and those are a bit pricey. That and I wish I had a nickle for every time I heard a grip about Orks being the worst army, seems like the opinions run hot and cold, either you love them or hate them, though even I think they need some review love and buffage in some aspects.

Chiefs Fan

You poor bastard, lol. (Hey I'm in the same boat too)

[Kasonic]

Dark Angel book is almost done, after that it's Orks. There's a shitton of rumors going around about Dark Eldar revisions, and some of their troops recently got the new style of box, so don't count them out.

[Regime]

Originally Posted by Throag

How do you plan on stripping the old paint without damaging the models? I remember trying once.... for a shitty result

if Pewter, ah I just threw them in a glass and let them soak in Paint thinner for 2-3 days. It worked "very decent" If plastic fuck if i know lol

I quit during 2nd ed. with my Chaos army of uberosity and my half-assed abortive Ork army of me always getting my ass kicked. IIRC my strat with the Orks was hordes of Gretchin to eat death while my Storm Boyz would leap in and slice the shit out of anything they touched in hand-to-hand. I never got it to work though, got pissed, saw the Necrons, thought they were gay as gay, and quit.

I have nothing to add. Was kind of hoping for a nostaligia thread.

Well we can do that too Gerb. Like I remember back when I had 4 scout units and 2 Dark rider units and rolled like 70 dice a turn. Repeated Crossbows and Bolt Thorwers FTW

thats gone now I suppose =( They marshalled in the core unit bs hehe

I'd take a look at the people you'd be playing against before deciding to play Necrons, if only that in the store we ran people eventually just refused to play against Necrons. If they don't care about Necrons, then /shrug, but here it was a big issue.

Yeah I will probably just rebuild Emperor's childern or Speedfreaks...much more enjoyable games.

I am glad to hear Dark Eldar are hanging around. They had some bad ass fucking stories.

good posts

[Erronius]

Originally Posted by AngryGerbil

and my half-assed abortive Ork army of me always getting my ass kicked. IIRC my strat with the Orks was hordes of Gretchin to eat death while my Storm Boyz would leap in and slice the shit out of anything they touched in hand-to-hand.

A friend of mine really wanted to take a horde of orks on foot with screens, hearkening back to the really old 40k editions. Anymore he just gets smoked before he gets into charge range. If he tries to go trukk heavy, his trucks just get smoked and he ends up having to slog it (I so hate the new results for vehicle wrecks). I usually shoot his transports, pick off whatever I think is a high priority, then I assault his HQ/assault troops before he can assault me. I actually quit taking a Bloodthirster against him after I wiped out his Boss with nobz in mega armour after 1 turn when charging and he didn't get any attacks back. He just started putting his figures up after that, he didn't even finish the game. Instakills from a S8 daemon on his multiwound T4 models with no saves...I was half elated it worked so well, and half angry I managed to piss him off doing it.

Orks need love, thats all I can say.

- Need better vehicles, sad looted ones are often better choices
- They have some sad initiative, even with waaagh its what, Ini 4 for most orks? Most armies have that at least on their basic troops.
- They just aren't hard enough in CC IMO.

Burna boys have kicked my ass on occasion, nobz with power klaws own. Only time I've had my chaos force wiped by orks, was a low-point battle where the guy had a line of dreads/killer kans screening with assault troops in trukks behind them. Also, a mekianik with that shield generator behind them. So he just advanced, I only managed to immobilize one dread due to the shield glancing BS, and once he was in charge range his trukks sped around into the open and they jumped out and charged. Dreads/KK's followed behind and mopped up. Was painful, but fun I suppose.

Orks do deserve better IMO. And I'm beyond tired of all the SM/CSM players, at one time those armies accounted for like 60%-70% of our total sales, I started chaos back with Rogue Trader back before most people had even heard of GW. Man, I still have CSM's with MM's and one with a conversion beamer. /cry

I do have a Blood Slaughterer I picked up back in the day (93 or 94 iirc), I really wish I had bought more than one. I thought the wheels looked gay, so I chopped the axles off and put it on some tracks from the rapier laser destroyer thing. If I had a digi camera I'd go take a pic, even though I still need to base and paint it (hesitant due to lack of painting skills).

One of these things: Blood Slaughterer of Khorne

[Tea on tuesday]

Orks definitely need the new codex. I feel bad when I tear through them with whatever army I'm currently playing. At least the Dark Eldar are still competitive with their equally ancient codex---which kind of makes me afraid for when they get upgraded.

I've never had a problem with SM/CSM armies saturation, but I understand that's it's different elsewhere. With my group of friends we can field at least a 1500 points for every army except demon hunters. in addition most of us also have small to large contingent of SM chapters. I've got about 750 points of Imperial Fists along with god only knows how many points from my friends blood angels, space wolves, black templar, and dark angels and it can be pretty fun to get some allied SM vs Xenos games going. Although Eldar, Harlequin, Dark Eldar vs. chaos is also pretty bitching.

I'm pretty tired of the nids and necrons at this point, and I'm almost positive my next army is going to be a Night Lords army with a shitload of the old school raptors with the wings and all of my troops with the bitchin' old school Night Lord helmets. That's really what it comes down to...who cares if I play SM/CSM 4 or 5 times in a row as long as each army isn't powergamed to hell, is flavorful, and generally well done.....well I guess therein lies the problem.

[Regime]

Originally Posted by Tea on tuesday

Orks definitely need the new codex. I feel bad when I tear through them with whatever army I'm currently playing. At least the Dark Eldar are still competitive with their equally ancient codex---which kind of makes me afraid for when they get upgraded.

I've never had a problem with SM/CSM armies saturation, but I understand that's it's different elsewhere. With my group of friends we can field at least a 1500 points for every army except demon hunters. in addition most of us also have small to large contingent of SM chapters. I've got about 750 points of Imperial Fists along with god only knows how many points from my friends blood angels, space wolves, black templar, and dark angels and it can be pretty fun to get some allied SM vs Xenos games going. Although Eldar, Harlequin, Dark Eldar vs. chaos is also pretty bitching.

I'm pretty tired of the nids and necrons at this point, and I'm almost positive my next army is going to be a Night Lords army with a shitload of the old school raptors with the wings and all of my troops with the bitchin' old school Night Lord helmets. That's really what it comes down to...who cares if I play SM/CSM 4 or 5 times in a row as long as each army isn't powergamed to hell, is flavorful, and generally well done.....well I guess therein lies the problem.

Yeah I agree. Back in 99 I was putting together a Emperor's Children and a World Eater's army. I had the old as 80's Deamon books you know what I am talking about. Anyways this is WAAAAY before 95% of the people who played knew about the WE or EC. (Before Fabius bile etc and Kharn actually broke away from the WE)

Ah anyways I went hardcore into the mythos and that is...what is was really about. My WE did alright but man my noise marines got owned (this is shitty CSM codex way before the revamp) But it was cool and I loved the story behind them. I am pretty wierd with the new shit and scoff at horrible changes in the game like....the Necrons CODEX. The original Necrons were a cool idea to me but man when they added the C'tans it was retarded. I ignore that lore like I do Lizardman rofl.

Orks still the most fun army I think I played (esp with grots in 2nd ed. with those blasters and they would could get stuck in enemy Dreadnaughts etc) man that was cool.