France is Fucked....

Algrinon · 10-20-2006, 08:45 PM

Read Here. They now have to work a wopping 35 hours a week. And they wonder why American's think they are lazy =P

Arbitrary · 10-20-2006, 09:05 PM

Read the article?

AngryGerbil · 10-20-2006, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Arbitrary

Read the article?

I don't think he did, no, just the headline.

Soriak · 10-21-2006, 12:18 AM

As long as they let policy be dictated by demonstrating students they're fucked anyway. The riots last year were caused by a law that would actually have made it easier for young people to get employed... either they didn't understand that or they figured an employer being able to fire them for sucking was inacceptable.

Dabamf · 10-21-2006, 12:44 AM

It's France. They aren't allowed firing people. Since when have you expected them to do anything since that makes any sense?

"I'm sorry Mr. Parker, but you have not shown us good enough reason for ending your friendship with Stephen. You must continue the friendship till we authorize otherwise."

Gahid · 10-21-2006, 06:43 AM

The riots were the result of a deeper social unrest. The problem is that the youth have no say in government.

Soriak · 10-21-2006, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Gahid

The riots were the result of a deeper social unrest. The problem is that the youth have no say in government.

Bad government, evil democracy or lack of appealing young people running for an elected office?

Actually, I forsee a very bad future for France if things don't change dramatically: lowest work hours, earliest retirement and toughest employment regulations in Europe - not exactly great for the economy...

Ablirr · 10-21-2006, 10:25 AM

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The riots last year were caused by a law that would actually have made it easier for young people to get employed...

Not at all!
The riots in France last year : october 2005
The law : I guess february 2006

In fact, the riots began after the death of two young boys pursued by the police. (err sorry for my bad english

)

Jaytee Bushwacker · 10-21-2006, 11:22 AM

Specifically zeroing in on the hosiptality industry here as relates to the article...what's going to happen is the businesses are not going to want to pay OT hours. They will want to cut back the existing hours of employees so they do not get OT and hire others to fill in the "lost" hours. So existing employees may see a reduction in their income.

However this assumes there is a readily available pool of labor from which to draw new employees. If, as the article states, there is a shortage of labor willing to do those jobs for the current wages then the owners will have to either pay OT to existing employees or have a higher base pay with which to entice people from the limited labor pool.

So what's better OT or higher base pay? I don't know I am not an economist but i see the price of a cup of coffee getting much higher real quick in France.

And I was hoping to visit there in the next 2-3 years =/

Aulirophile · 10-21-2006, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Jaytee Bushwacker

Specifically zeroing in on the hosiptality industry here as relates to the article...what's going to happen is the businesses are not going to want to pay OT hours. They will want to cut back the existing hours of employees so they do not get OT and hire others to fill in the "lost" hours. So existing employees may see a reduction in their income.

However this assumes there is a readily available pool of labor from which to draw new employees. If, as the article states, there is a shortage of labor willing to do those jobs for the current wages then the owners will have to either pay OT to existing employees or have a higher base pay with which to entice people from the limited labor pool.

So what's better OT or higher base pay? I don't know I am not an economist but i see the price of a cup of coffee getting much higher real quick in France.

And I was hoping to visit there in the next 2-3 years =/

Or they can figure out which four hours of the week they have the least business and then not be open during those hours. Cost of printing a sign to say "Thursdays closed between 1:15-3:15" isn't that expensive. Should be fun for the employees who get a two hour break twice a week for no particular reason.

Phoenix · 10-21-2006, 11:59 AM

Gotta love Socialism.

Soriak · 10-21-2006, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ablirr

Not at all!
The riots in France last year : october 2005
The law : I guess february 2006

In fact, the riots began after the death of two young boys pursued by the police. (err sorry for my bad english

)

You're right, my bad - sorry

There were large demonstrations and protests too though, just no burning cars

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Gotta love Socialism.

Socialism - like anything - just depends on the degree in which it's implemented.

Phoenix · 10-21-2006, 12:37 PM

Socialism doesnt work period. In the end all it does is show people that apathy pays off. Why should I strive to get a good job when daddy .gov will give me healthcare and a college education?

And fuck France, bunch of little bitches. What the fuck is a 35 hour work week? Are they allergic or afraid of hard days worth of work?

GrobbeeTrull · 10-21-2006, 12:53 PM

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Socialism doesnt work period. In the end all it does is show people that apathy pays off. Why should I strive to get a good job when daddy .gov will give me healthcare and a college education?

Because you can still get fired and flunk out? I'm not sure. Capitalism is just as bad - did you know in Ohio they're going to exploit gamblers to pay for everyone's college education (yet again, lottery 2.0).

So what's better? Money set aside for people to go to school, or money earned from people who can't really afford it, for people to go to school?

Isn't Capitalism grand.

Dabamf · 10-21-2006, 12:58 PM

Ethnic cleansing - like anything - just depends on the degree to which it's implemented.

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Originally Posted by GrobbeeTrull

did you know in Ohio they're going to exploit gamblers to pay for everyone's college education (yet again, lottery 2.0).

Hahahahahaha

Did you know in Florida they are going to exploit thrill-seekers--by opening more amusement parks--to pay for everyone's college education?

10-20-2006, 08:45 PM	#1 (permalink)
Algrinon Banned Join Date: May 2003 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 732 +0 Internets	France is Fucked.... Read Here. They now have to work a wopping 35 hours a week. And they wonder why American's think they are lazy =P

10-21-2006, 11:22 AM	#9 (permalink)
Jaytee Bushwacker FoH Member with a rod in his pants Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Forest, MS Posts: 238 +0 Internets	Specifically zeroing in on the hosiptality industry here as relates to the article...what's going to happen is the businesses are not going to want to pay OT hours. They will want to cut back the existing hours of employees so they do not get OT and hire others to fill in the "lost" hours. So existing employees may see a reduction in their income. However this assumes there is a readily available pool of labor from which to draw new employees. If, as the article states, there is a shortage of labor willing to do those jobs for the current wages then the owners will have to either pay OT to existing employees or have a higher base pay with which to entice people from the limited labor pool. So what's better OT or higher base pay? I don't know I am not an economist but i see the price of a cup of coffee getting much higher real quick in France. And I was hoping to visit there in the next 2-3 years =/ __________________

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10-21-2006, 12:18 AM	#4 (permalink)
Soriak Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 4,424 +20 Internets	As long as they let policy be dictated by demonstrating students they're fucked anyway. The riots last year were caused by a law that would actually have made it easier for young people to get employed... either they didn't understand that or they figured an employer being able to fire them for sucking was inacceptable.

10-21-2006, 12:44 AM	#5 (permalink)
Dabamf Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,766 +0 Internets	It's France. They aren't allowed firing people. Since when have you expected them to do anything since that makes any sense? "I'm sorry Mr. Parker, but you have not shown us good enough reason for ending your friendship with Stephen. You must continue the friendship till we authorize otherwise."

10-21-2006, 06:43 AM	#6 (permalink)
Gahid Registared User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,006 +0 Internets	The riots were the result of a deeper social unrest. The problem is that the youth have no say in government.