Conroe...Discuss

[Dexz]

http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2713

Im sure most of you browsing your local tech site have seen similiar results.

[Cathan]

I'm an AMD fanboi so like the article said it's intel's absolute latest that is still 6 months away from the market whereas fx60 is amd's first and only dual core processor in the fx lineup and it's still a 939 socket vs the 65 nm conroe (think conroe is 65 nm anyway).

The first obvious concern for me is what will be the price difference between the conroe chips and the AMD AM2 chips that are comparable? Generally it is SIGNIFICANT. I don't buy intel now because it's not worth my money even if performance was even or possibly even a little better on the intel side. Generally speaking AMD gives you more bang for your buck.

I'll be interested to see what AMD offers in response. This could be just another tug of war like we've seen with nvidia and ATI. Maybe they go back and forth for a little while. I still think it's unfair to compare technology that hasn't hit the market to another company's chip that's on an older platform that's been out for ~ few months.

I like AMD's mobo setup with the processor interacting directly with the RAM better. I think if the mobo's will take advantage of >400 mhz ddr RAM that will help close the gap a bit.

I would rather see Intel focus on the MAC market so that pc has more competition as well as maintaining some healthy competiiton with AMD in the pc market. Both will help keep prices down.

I'll be anxiously awaiting amd's answer to the conroe. Maybe they already have the magic answer to put intel back in their place.

On a side note I guess Eomer's statement that video processing is the bottleneck vs cpu's isn't 100% true anymore. It's probably still mostly true given the crossfired x1900xtx's aren't going to show up in many of our machines anytime soon.

[K`Lag]

Sadly I see AMD loosing the comming battle while they work on their next CPU architecture. AM2 will not offer much of a performance increase at all but I have no doubt that AMD will aggressively price their AM2 processors which is a win win situation. It will probably take until 2007 for AMD to reply with a new architecture.

[Taehoon]

In general, the Intel platform is more reliable when it comes to the whole package. How many times did AMD sell you a nice cpu, but then you had to run it on some shit VIA chipset, that was hard to get to work at all with retarded drivers that never made any sense.

Now you know why Dell has said that they are not going to sell AMD. Intel probably had to tell them way in advance that their next architecture is going to be hands down better than AMD. It certainly looks like it is.

[Tea on tuesday]

Originally Posted by Taehoon

How many times did AMD sell you a nice cpu, but then you had to run it on some shit VIA chipset, that was hard to get to work at all with retarded drivers that never made any sense.

Um, zero.

[Dis]

Originally Posted by Taehoon

In general, the Intel platform is more reliable when it comes to the whole package. How many times did AMD sell you a nice cpu, but then you had to run it on some shit VIA chipset, that was hard to get to work at all with retarded drivers that never made any sense.

Now you know why Dell has said that they are not going to sell AMD. Intel probably had to tell them way in advance that their next architecture is going to be hands down better than AMD. It certainly looks like it is.

I have never had a problem with AMD. And to use Dell as your example is ignorance at best.

http://www.internetnews.com/ent-news...le.php/3547371

I have used both chips when building my machines, I have had zero problems with both. Intel at the moment is a step behind AMD is more than a few things, four of which are pricing, processing power, stability, and heating. Hence why I chose AMD to build my latest and greatest with. Until Intel does something that knocks my socks off, I will continue to tell my friends, and anyone who asks, AMD is the way to go for the now.


Edit:

Reasons why Dell will, and AMD couldnt linkage:

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=29657

http://voodoopc.blogspot.com/2006/02...ter-of-if.html

[The Dauntless One]

Originally Posted by Taehoon

In general, the Intel platform is more reliable when it comes to the whole package. How many times did AMD sell you a nice cpu, but then you had to run it on some shit VIA chipset, that was hard to get to work at all with retarded drivers that never made any sense.

Now you know why Dell has said that they are not going to sell AMD. Intel probably had to tell them way in advance that their next architecture is going to be hands down better than AMD. It certainly looks like it is.

what do you mean intel is more reliable? you mean you bought a shitty piece of hardware for 2 bucks and blame it on AMD? go use your fucking head and spend more than 2 dollars on a motherboard...its not their fault you are a stingy motherfucker

[The Dauntless One]

Originally Posted by Cathan

On a side note I guess Eomer's statement that video processing is the bottleneck vs cpu's isn't 100% true anymore. It's probably still mostly true given the crossfired x1900xtx's aren't going to show up in many of our machines anytime soon.

that statement is true because most games are single threaded... the game can only run so fast because the CPU can't hand the speed of the gpu
i haven't followed with hardware for awhile but i think even with double threaded games, it will still be bottlenecked by 7800GTX 512 / x1900xtx vid cards

[Taehoon]

Yeah thanks for assuming I never bought a good motherboard. Want to explain my Asus A8N SLI Premium that refused to boot after a week?

How about my MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum (nForce3 Ultra) that nvidia ended up fucking something up with the drivers and I could no longer play games without the whole system freezing for ~15 seconds while using my 6800GT. I could revert back to a much older video driver and the games would play fine - missing out on some graphics quality due to really old nature of the driver. Oh, and the RAID never functioned on that board. On top of that, the USB ports were quirky. I guess I should have spent more than $135 for a motherboard?

As for AMD being better than Intel, that is going to change. AM2 is not any better than 939. Conroe is better than both, and if you can't understand that, then you are a blind fanboi.

[The Dauntless One]

i never once said AMD > intel in my post... though i do perfer to buy AMD but aren't you jumping to conclusions? until i see benchmarks with the AM2 i will not say who is better...you're the only fanboi here
i've also owned msi neo4 and dfi nf4 motherboard and never had a problem... and how can you say that MSI and ASUS motherboard is AMD's fault?

[Taehoon]

There have already been some benchmarks for AM2.

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/02/...orm/page9.html


And if you notice in my first post, I said Intel is the more reliable platform. What good is the better cpu if your motherboard doesn't work right? It's not often TODAY that there are problems with chipsets and drivers, but they do happen, and they happen 95% of the time on non-Intel systems.

For the record, my last 2 PCs have been AMD. The majority of my PCs (home built) have been AMD. However I will go with whatever is best for me at the time. This fall/winter, it will most likley be Intel.

[Cathan]

I've built several AMD machines and I've never had a problem with any hardware conflicts due to the AMD processor. I've used MSI, ASUS and various other motherboards with AMD. I built a machine in November 05 with an AMD 64 3700 with an Asus board and it runs great. Every feature worked perfect on the motherboard, even the raid when I set it up.

I guess you're just an AMD hater or somethin. I like AMD because they make good gear and their prices are much more reasonable imo. For the last while AMD appealed to me more because of cost and performance in games. Why would I want a higher priced intel that runs hotter and doesn't perform as well?

Even if AM2 isn't as good as Conroe I'll probably wait to build another machine until AMD gets back on top. I won't need a machine for another 2 years probably.

One reason I favor AMD is because if there was no AMD intel could charge just about whatever the fuck they wanted for their shit. All of us hurt in the pocket without AMD so I would love to see AMD swallow up half of the market share. If AMD blew intel out for several years and took over 90% of the market share I would pull for intel to make a comeback to help keep prices down. Even with things as they are I'd like to see another cpu manufacturer really step up like AMD has against intel to offer more options and even lower prices.

[Dexz]

Its nice to see that Intel can put a hurt on AMD's technology that hit the market over a year ago. Keep in mind this is Intel's Second coming of the Dual core platform, second complete chip overhaul, third ? die shrink ? since the XP debut.

I personally think its fucking rediculous they point and laugh at AMD when it took them 3-4 fucking years and several revisions later to make a chip worth looking at in the price/performace market.

All of AMD's current chips are nearing their speed limitations, so they must
have something big coming in late 06-07 after the AM2 platform is stabilized. Hopefully another coming of the Hypertransport err great idea that really makes a leap in technology and performance along with a nice new architecture.

[The Dauntless One]

Originally Posted by Dexz

Its nice to see that Intel can put a hurt on AMD's technology that hit the market over a year ago. Keep in mind this is Intel's Second coming of the Dual core platform, second complete chip overhaul, third ? die shrink ? since the XP debut.

I personally think its fucking rediculous they point and laugh at AMD when it took them 3-4 fucking years and several revisions later to make a chip worth looking at in the price/performace market.

All of AMD's current chips are nearing their speed limitations, so they must
have something big coming in late 06-07 after the AM2 platform is stabilized. Hopefully another coming of the Hypertransport err great idea that really makes a leap in technology and performance along with a nice new architecture.

i agree with you...since the debut of s754 intel's been in the shitter
their 65nm tech would probably be different

There have already been some benchmarks for AM2.

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/02/...orm/page9.html


And if you notice in my first post, I said Intel is the more reliable platform. What good is the better cpu if your motherboard doesn't work right? It's not often TODAY that there are problems with chipsets and drivers, but they do happen, and they happen 95% of the time on non-Intel systems.

For the record, my last 2 PCs have been AMD. The majority of my PCs (home built) have been AMD. However I will go with whatever is best for me at the time. This fall/winter, it will most likley be Intel.

lol did you read the first 2-3 lines? pre-production AM2 procs that don't even run DDR800
for the fucking record...built 3-4 s939 machines with different motherboards... if you are a computer illiterate then shut the fuck up... can probably clear those retarded problems with a simple bios flash
and again IT IS NOT AMD'S PROBLEM THAT THE CHIPSET CAN'T RUN PROPERLY. GO HATE ON ASUS OR MSI OR WHOEVER THAT FUCKED UP THEIR CHIPSET (even though they do and you are just too stupid to fix it)

PS stop pulling numbers out of your ass IE 95% blah blah blah ... oh yeah, btw, why is AMD more reliable? at least they are competent enough to flatten out their IHS and provide better stock cooling

[Dexz]

Originally Posted by Taehoon

There have already been some benchmarks for AM2.

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/02/...orm/page9.html


And if you notice in my first post, I said Intel is the more reliable platform. What good is the better cpu if your motherboard doesn't work right? It's not often TODAY that there are problems with chipsets and drivers, but they do happen, and they happen 95% of the time on non-Intel systems.

For the record, my last 2 PCs have been AMD. The majority of my PCs (home built) have been AMD. However I will go with whatever is best for me at the time. This fall/winter, it will most likley be Intel.

Actually if your aiming for stability, AMD will be the winner.. Reason ? AM2 is going to use all the current existing hardware on the mobo with the exception of the chipset. The rest of it will carry over from the 939 platform.