Drugs are bad?

[Abysmal]

1) Do you think drugs should be legal or illegal, and why?

illegal because the average person is stupid and needs to be controlled. most people think nothing much will change if things were made legal and that you can simply 'get it anyway'. while this might put drug dealers out of business it makes drugs socially acceptable and "OK". people will simply go to the quick stop and pick up a variety pack of everything available every time they feel stressed. make them feel guilty about it, make them feel like criminals.

2) For those of you who don't do any illegal substances, would you try them if they were legal?

I tried a few different things when i was young and regret most of it but fortunately i've never paid for drugs in my life. thanks friends! i've smoked pot as recently as new years but only because i was drunk and didnt want to feel like a fag or get upset about it because i was with my girl and all her friends who do this stuff fairly often. anyway, if it were legal no i would not buy it but i'd probably end up doing it on occasion (pot at most) because its so acceptable by people my age (21).

3) If you knew and respected a person, unaware that they used drugs a fair amount, would learning that they consumed drugs change your opinion of them as a person?

Yes. I look down on people who use drugs. I'll smoke pot on rare occasions because i'm literally the only one who doesn't and i hate explaining my self or arguing with drunk/fucked up people at parties. Anything harder than pot and you lose a lot of respect from me. My girls friends broke out some opium (didnt mention it was opium) at a party and got her to try some, i was fucking pissed.

4) What event/medium influenced your opinion on drug use the most? The law, media, friends/family etc...

Personal experience. People do drugs because they are unhappy with themselves. I see it as a weakness, even pot. Show some self respect! deal with your fucked up emotional and personal problems without copping out by getting drunk or high.

5) Lastly, have you ever willfully tried any drugs? If so, which kinds and how often.

Pot hundreds of times in middle/high school. Pot laced with PCP once in 7th grade WOOT. Various pills my parents horded in their house like codene (spelling). Currently i smoke pot very rarely, like once per year and honestly if i had my way it wouldnt be ever. I buy a pack of cigarettes whenever im stressed out in school and smoke 1 or two and throw the pack away. I drink during vacations but rarely get drunk unless im staying over at my girls house where we have parties frequently.

[GaliemVaelant]

Originally Posted by Rune

Whoah whoah whoah

sources for the physicist potheads kthx

It's mentioned in some old issues of Physics Today. Most colleges have archives of Physics Today that can be browsed. I read 'em when I have time to waste, but not enough time to actually accomplish anything (and not enough time to come home to chill).

Another surprising and cool thing mentioned in Physics Today is that at the first International Conference on Semiconductors hosted in America, the physicists hung out at a pool at a women's dorm. The cool part about this is that they shared the locker room with the women. They even mention in a round about way in that article that the Soviet physicists got more play with the women than anyone else.

Among those there was Kalishnikoff (inventor of the AK-47). Apparently, he was a pimp by today's standards.

When you spend most of your time grinding calculations, you need some way to unwind and get your brain to be quiet for a few. You'll go nuts without that.

If you search around online, you might be able to find something about these things.

Another fun, mostly unknown fact about Einstein is that women hung all over him. My how times have changed.

[Blaezenfury]

hahah what kind of bullshit are you trying to pull?

''Smoking marijuana can cloud a teenager's judgment in other ways, leading a young person to do things he/she would not normally do, such as having sex, or having sex without using contraception. This increases a teen's chance of experiencing an unplanned pregnancy or a sexually transmitted disease like syphilis and HIV. If a teenager is pregnant, it's important to know that babies born to mothers who smoke marijuana during pregnancy are smaller and weigh less, which puts them at risk for many medical problems.''

'' There are also many long-term side effects of marijuana use. In boys, it can lower the sperm count and testosterone levels. It causes irregular menstrual periods and irregular ovulation in girls. Studies have shown that marijuana use can damage the heart and lungs. In addition, marijuana affects the immune system, and can weaken the body's ability to fight tumors. This increases a teen's risk for cancer.''

yeah..as if teens just dont have sex...any retard can slap on a condom, and any asshole knows that weed isnt going to make you do things you normally woulden't do. i dont know what kind of weed you're smoking, but all weed does to me is make me numb and lazy as fuck.

weaken the bodies abillity to fight tumors? fuck that im not even going to bother.

fuck the bullshit where it says it practically turns you into a vegetable, I smoke weed, i learn shit even if im high.

there's practically no negative side effects of smoking weed, the problem with thease studies is they're so fucked up its not practical, people dont 'chain' smoke weed, they have a 1-2 joints every few hours. not 3 packs of cigs a day.

i know a few people who've been smokin weed for over 30 years and they're not any different from your average joe.

there's never been a death recorded due to too much smoking of weed, no where.


I don't care if any drugs become legal, i just want hemp to be legal, the world would be much more peacefull.

[Rune]

Blazenfury, hemp and marijuana are two different things.

You can either have useful hemp or useful marijuana, industrial hemp has almost zero THC.

Algrinon, those two items you linked are pure propoganda. Nearly all studies conducted by the government are purposefully flawed. Smoking it isn't good for you, but it isn't nearly as bad as it is painted. And for Christsake, when was the last time "the government told me so" was a good idea for basing your health decisions on. The fucking FDA has its head so far up its ass ..anyway.

My opinion is that the principal danger of marijuana is it retards brain development, and can keep users in an adolescent frame of mind if they abuse it heavily during their teenage years and don't quit. Most do and move on with their lives. Some people use it for decades without a problem. But I think most people know of the guy who just did nothing with his life - like in that Half Baked movie, with Dave Chapelle.


Bottom line, you can't be pro alcohol / pro tobacco and anti pot for health reasons. It's hypocritical and flawed.

edit:
jesus christ look at this guy from that teen help website.

pedo smirk (tm)
http://www.fohguild.org/forums/attac...1&d=1140332292

[Hooby]

Personal experience. People do drugs because they are unhappy with themselves. I see it as a weakness, even pot. Show some self respect! deal with your fucked up emotional and personal problems without copping out by getting drunk or high.

Holy shit, that's news to me... Damn, now I am depressed and have problems All this time I thought I was having a great life =/

[Abysmal]

Heh, you think it's funny but it's true. Now, getting people to admit it is an entirely different thing altogether. Nobody does drugs just because they're 'fun'. Thats bullshit. I can't tell anyone what's wrong with them and proving it is next to impossible unless you know someone very well but there's always something.

[GaliemVaelant]

Originally Posted by Abysmal

Heh, you think it's funny but it's true. Now, getting people to admit it is an entirely different thing altogether. Nobody does drugs just because they're 'fun'. Thats bullshit. I can't tell anyone what's wrong with them and proving it is next to impossible unless you know someone very well but there's always something.

No disrespect meant Abysmal, but..

That's some fifth grade school guidance counselor anti-drug class bullshit.

I smoked weed because I was bored, or because I wanted to relax.

I dropped acid because I wanted to have fun. It turned my boring neighborhood into an amusement park, and every fucking tree into a comedian when it was a good, or giggling type trip (the only kinds you want to have).

I dropped X because I wanted to have a fucking four hour orgasm; I wanted to have fun.

By your logic, anything that makes a person feel good or have fun and anything that changes a person's mood is only done because they're emotionally fucked up. You're either talking about yourself, or you're full of shit and don't know what you're talking about. Do you only drink coffee because you're emotionally fucked up? Is everyone who likes to fuck emotionally fucked up or unhappy with their life?

That's not to say that there aren't a lot who do drugs for that reason, but it's not every one. Hell, is every person who drinks an unshaved alcoholic who whines to the bartender about his bitch or job? No. Same damn difference.

You come across as the typical super conservative who thinks that anyone who ever did any drugs is the propaganda poster stereotype put out by your local congressman/judge/sherrif running for reelection. Buy a clue.

Yes, there is something wrong with all our lives, but to use that fact to explain all behavior fitting into a very, very broad category of motives is pretty damn weak minded. You might as well say that everyone who plays MMOGs does it because they have toes.

...and please don't cite any of the weak-ass post hoc, ergo proctor hoc bullshit that people making your argument always use. I might stub my toe just before a jet flies over my house, but jets don't fly because I stub my toe. Some guy you know might smoke a joint after his parents get a divorce and the local priest fellates him, but joint smoking doesn't happen because of those things. Joint smoking happens for the same reason that 90% of the men in this country get a beer and catch the game when they get off work on Monday. If you can't understand that, then you seriously need a vacation, bud.

If you're trying to discourage the young'uns in this thread, then you still need to realize a simple fact: Lying about drugs is not the way to get people to keep off 'em. All that does is make folks use them more when they realize how full of shit you are.

[Abysmal]

yeah but you have assburgers galiem. i'm talking about humans without severe birth defects.

[Hooby]

Originally Posted by Abysmal

Heh, you think it's funny but it's true. Now, getting people to admit it is an entirely different thing altogether. Nobody does drugs just because they're 'fun'. Thats bullshit. I can't tell anyone what's wrong with them and proving it is next to impossible unless you know someone very well but there's always something.

I pity you. To be so ignorant as to think you can correctly explain the motives of every person in a very large, and extremely diverse, population.

Btw, your telling people they are unhappy with themselves is a defense mechanism to cope with your small penis size. If you try to dispute this, you are simply in denial. (Airtight case, huh?)

Oh, and alcohol is the most useless drug I can think of. Being drunk leads to one of the most mentally debilitating (and shallow) state of mind out of any other drugs I have tried, it is like the picture book of mind altering substances.

[Nikkohung You]

I smoke pot because i find it enjoyable, as do my friends and its often more of a social gathering type thing, basically replaces alcohol for me. I also like how awesome it is to sleep when im blazed, its just so damn enjoyable when i wake up.

[Abysmal]

We’d all love to believe that we’re unique and special and that all of our thoughts and feelings are original. I’m one to believe that our motivations are few and all are rather easily explained. If you’re so happy why do you need a mind altering drug to have “fun”? By having the desire to alter your mind state you are implying that your existing one is somehow deficient.

[GaliemVaelant]

Originally Posted by Abysmal

By having the desire to alter your mind state you are implying that your existing one is somehow deficient.

I'll give ya this one.

When I dropped X, my existing state was entirely too devoid of four hour long orgasms. If I could do that without the X, then I'd never have taken it. Note that X doesn't give you actual four hour orgasms. It just feels exactly like an orgasm, given the proper environment.

When I dropped some acid, my existing state was entirely too devoid of hilariously funny trees and awesome real life particle effects (so to speak). If there were more hilariously funny inanimate objects, then I'd never have dropped acid. The hardest I've ever laughed in my life was when I was sitting at the bank of a river with some friends tripping, and one sitting behind me threw a whole orange into the water after making a noise like he was spitting out a loogie. Without the acid, it wouldn't have been nearly as convincing or funny.

When I smoked a joint, my existing state was entirely too devoid of relaxation. If it were just as or less effective toward just kicking back and chilling than other methods, then it would not have been needed.

Just like when I drink coffee, my existing state is entirely too devoid of being awake and alert. If I got plenty of sleep last night, then I don't need the coffee.

[Abysmal]

You're missing so much galiem. It's all very clear to me. You just said "i smoke weed to relax". Ok, great, but why weren't you relaxed to begin with? What caused the stress? It seems in a roundabout way this is precisely what i was saying... this is the "something".

Edit:

also, the dumbass parallels don't work. Not being awake and coffee has nothing to do with drugs that belong in this discussion.

[GaliemVaelant]

Originally Posted by Abysmal

You're missing so much galiem. It's all very clear to me. You just said "i smoke weed to relax". Ok, great, but why weren't you relaxed to begin with? What caused the stress? It seems in a roundabout way this is precisely what i was saying... this is the "something".

Damn straight. Life is stressful, and people do shit to unwind. You're posting on a message board, right? I'm guessing that since you're here, you play video games. Like you said, none of us are unique, thus a desire to unwind and chill is by no means weird or an implication of more serious underlying issues.

Edit:

also, the dumbass parallels don't work. Not being awake and coffee has nothing to do with drugs that belong in this discussion.

The parallels do work. A drug is a substance that changes the way that the human body works in some way. Caffeine most certainly does fit that category. Every drug has a specific effect, and thus a specific purpose; whether it's coffee, weed, cigarettes, alcohol, MDMA, LSD, or whatever.

Also, it's smoked -- not smoke. I don't have the luxury of being in a position to risk my status as a student, my job, or my freedom right now. When I was a teenager, I had no family, no career (sure, job, but not career), and I wasn't in college.

edit: I remember the History Channel's 8 hour show (series of them actually) about drugs in the US said that coffee was one vote away from being banned in the senate, but I can't find a citation for this. Catholic priests tried to have it banned worldwide until the pope stopped them, and several European and Asian nations tried to ban it several times. There's plenty of citations out there about that. Also,

Corresponding figures to the above for pot are not obtainable, although pot is "the most widely abused drug" and widely researched. Authority for years has been trying to pin something bad on pot. First, Authority said it was an aphrodisiac for rapists, then later the opposite, it lowered sex drive and sperm count. Then they said it caused cancer and chromosome breaks, but went quiet on this when it turned out that aspirin and caffeine caused a greater rate of genetic damage. People like Dr Anderson (The Age 19/06/00) are running the line that pot causes schizophrenia. In reply Christopher A. Joseph, Ohio US (The Age 19/06/00) state that “Some doctors believe that these types of patient may be alleviating their symptoms by self medicating with marijuana, not causing the disorder with chronic use. Marijuana’s main active ingredient THC has proven to be an analogue for the neurotransmitter anandimide, something schizophrenics have a deficiency in” and quotes as reference The Lancet, The New England Journal of Medicine, The Journal for the American Medical Association.

I came across that while looking for citations about the near ban on coffee, and since I've read it before, and have had trouble finding citations about this during other similar discussions, I figured that I should pull it over here while I have it open.

To sum up the big point there, the combination of coffee and aspirin is more harmful than weed in the long term. Also, it's worth mentioning that ceffeine is in the same family of drugs as mescalin and cocaine, as it has a strong affect on seretonin and dopamine. Thus, it is an example of a substance that could easily be in this conversation as an illicit one, but isn't because good christian conservatives happen to use it.

The above quote is taken from here. This isn't a perfect citation for that point, but it does cite published papers and the appropriate research, plus the author uses the historical spelling of marijuana, "marihuana".

[Abysmal]

seriously just shut the fuck up about comparing caffeine to any other drug that belongs here. caffeine belongs lumped in the same category as aspirine; that is in your medicine cabinet and out of this fucking thread. and seriously, knowing what all of us do about you, does ANYONE on this board have a hard time believing galiem 'assbuger' valient has any shortage of problems?