Dell 2405FPW

Aegdaien · 03-22-2006, 12:50 PM

I know a few people on this board have this monitor, wanted to get some opinions and an idea of what you paid for it. Trying to snag one for as cheap as possible, lowest I've came so far is just under $700 using a 25% off coupon and a 35 off 300. I've heard rumors of getting one for < 600, but it involved purchasing a system with the monitor and then just ebaying the system.

Link for the curious. Thanks!

Eomer · 03-22-2006, 01:06 PM

2407's stats just got leaked. I don't follow em that closely, so not sure what's different. So either a) you'll be able to get a 2405 cheaper (hopefully) or b) wait for a 2407.

Samus Aran · 03-22-2006, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eomer

2407's stats just got leaked. I don't follow em that closely, so not sure what's different. So either a) you'll be able to get a 2405 cheaper (hopefully) or b) wait for a 2407.

What be the stats on it?

aznpinktuv · 03-22-2006, 04:54 PM

sec ill get them off AT

http://img101.imagevenue.com/img.php...ge=29230_2.JPG
only difference ive noted so far is HDCP support,, rest looks similar.. didnt look detailed though

as for the monitor.. 700 or so sounds about right

edit fixing image tag

Taehoon · 03-24-2006, 12:00 AM

Unless you want to get a 2405 for cheap (paid a bit over $800 for mine in November) I'd wait for the 2407 for the HDCP and 6ms gray to gray. Also if you want to game and run a nice looking resolution, you'll need a powerful pc with a powerful video card.

LCDs still need improvement in general (black levels, response time), but I'm very happy with my 2405.

Kevincheese · 03-24-2006, 12:29 AM

If he can afford a 600 dollar moniter, I hope he's got a good pc :P

Scorpvenom · 03-24-2006, 04:10 PM

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LCDs still need improvement in general (black levels, response time), but I'm very happy with my 2405.

I agree. I own a 32'' LCD for my HDTV and it's really nice, but occasionally there is motion blur (rarely) and the black levels could be much better. It also has hdcp.

What pisses me off about the response times are how misleading they are. Tomshardware did an article a couple months back looking at a bunch of things, including LCD response times. A lot of manufacturers who had 8ms grey to grey response times actually had average response times of anywhere from 12-30ms. Any response time below 16ms I believe is unobservable by the human eye so if these monitors had true 8ms response time, you would never have motion blur or ghosting. The sharp aquos had the lowest average response time of 12ms...kinda wish I had gotten that one now.

The reason I haven't bought one of these dell monitors yet is because they all lack hdcp which is going to be necessary for true HD video from HD-dvd and blu-ray. How is the 2405 in general when it comes to response times? Do you ever get motion blur or slight ghosting? I assume you do or you wouldn't have brought up the thing about LCD's poor response times.

Taehoon · 03-24-2006, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Scorpvenom

How is the 2405 in general when it comes to response times? Do you ever get motion blur or slight ghosting? I assume you do or you wouldn't have brought up the thing about LCD's poor response times.

A friend saw my 2405 and pointed it out to me, but I'm not entirely certain that it's due to the response time of the 2405, but it might be. If it is (or even if it isn't), I just don't notice it unless I'm really looking for it. My biggest gripe is about the black levels. This monitor is really bright!

Scorpvenom · 03-24-2006, 08:50 PM

As for black levels, it's unfortunate. Sharp AQUOS is supposed to be strong on black levels so things are definitely improving in general with each new generation. However, if you do a calibration on the monitor, you can get the max performance out of it and often make blacks look better. I did a AVIA calibration on my lcd tv and it helped a lot. AVIA is just a calibration dvd you can purchase off amazon for about $30 and it runs you through everything and tells you exactly how to set your tv or monitor settings. That brightness problem you are having will virtually go away with a proper calibration. Some of my whites appeared washed out or too bright and after calibrating the problems were gone.

Taehoon · 03-24-2006, 08:52 PM

http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/ghosting.html

Yeah...I can definitely see ghosting with that (in full screen).

Scorpvenom · 03-24-2006, 08:53 PM

Also, often times if you set a setting too high whether it be, contrast, brightness or backlight...all of these can affect ghosting. Calibration = the win.

Taehoon · 03-24-2006, 08:57 PM

Yeah I thought about getting an AVIA disc (would like to calibrate my TVs too) but I wasn't sure how well it would work with a computer based LCD screen. I get by though with adjusting things in the regular menus and drivers. It isn't so bad now, but I have it set to 0 brightness.

Zuuljin · 04-07-2006, 07:31 PM

I was looking at this Dell monitor today thinking about buying it, but I had a few questsions about LCD's in general. I'v read somewhere that things dont look so pretty if you dont run them at their recommended resolution. So when this thing has a resolution of 1920x1200, is it actually going to look crappy if my computer cant run games that high? The dead pixle thing also scares the crap out of me, because I dont want to buy a $800 monitor only to have 1 dead pixle, which isnt considered broken, ruin everything I run on it.

Also I'v heard talk about Motorolla having new LCD hardware? Anyone know about that?

Yohansen · 04-07-2006, 08:00 PM

I got a Dell 24" and it had a dead pixel, it was in a bad spot and wasn't covered under warranty unless it was 8 or more. I just returned it no problem, of course their returns are a bit on the slow side...

Aegdaien · 04-07-2006, 09:08 PM

Just to update the thread, I went ahead and bought mine. I got it for $715 shipped with a 25% off coupon and a 35 off 300. I gotta say, so far its been worth every penny. Mine didn't have any dead pixels on arrival (thank god), so I didn't have to deal with returning it. UPS was a bit on the slow side but thats normal around here. Zuul, it really depends on the game. I can post pics this weekend of EQ2 running at different resolutions and you can see what you think...personally I wouldn't run it at anything other than the recommended resolution but its somewhat subjective. For BF2 there is no native widescreen support so I run it at 1600x1200 which looks ok for a FPS. I decided as far as HDCP and whatnot wasn't worth waiting for and potentially paying a premium.

03-22-2006, 12:50 PM	#1 (permalink)
Aegdaien Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,174 -9 Internets	Dell 2405FPW I know a few people on this board have this monitor, wanted to get some opinions and an idea of what you paid for it. Trying to snag one for as cheap as possible, lowest I've came so far is just under $700 using a 25% off coupon and a 35 off 300. I've heard rumors of getting one for < 600, but it involved purchasing a system with the monitor and then just ebaying the system. Link for the curious. Thanks!

03-24-2006, 08:50 PM	#9 (permalink)
Scorpvenom Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 171 +1 Internets	As for black levels, it's unfortunate. Sharp AQUOS is supposed to be strong on black levels so things are definitely improving in general with each new generation. However, if you do a calibration on the monitor, you can get the max performance out of it and often make blacks look better. I did a AVIA calibration on my lcd tv and it helped a lot. AVIA is just a calibration dvd you can purchase off amazon for about $30 and it runs you through everything and tells you exactly how to set your tv or monitor settings. That brightness problem you are having will virtually go away with a proper calibration. Some of my whites appeared washed out or too bright and after calibrating the problems were gone. __________________ Scorpvenom Overlord

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Scorpvenom Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 171 +1 Internets	Also, often times if you set a setting too high whether it be, contrast, brightness or backlight...all of these can affect ghosting. Calibration = the win. __________________ Scorpvenom Overlord

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03-22-2006, 01:06 PM	#2 (permalink)
Eomer You mean I can change this? Neat! Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 10,202 +39 Internets	2407's stats just got leaked. I don't follow em that closely, so not sure what's different. So either a) you'll be able to get a 2405 cheaper (hopefully) or b) wait for a 2407.

03-22-2006, 04:54 PM	#4 (permalink)
aznpinktuv Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 384 -1 Internets	sec ill get them off AT http://img101.imagevenue.com/img.php...ge=29230_2.JPG only difference ive noted so far is HDCP support,, rest looks similar.. didnt look detailed though as for the monitor.. 700 or so sounds about right edit fixing image tag

03-24-2006, 12:00 AM	#5 (permalink)
Taehoon Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 518 +0 Internets	Unless you want to get a 2405 for cheap (paid a bit over $800 for mine in November) I'd wait for the 2407 for the HDCP and 6ms gray to gray. Also if you want to game and run a nice looking resolution, you'll need a powerful pc with a powerful video card. LCDs still need improvement in general (black levels, response time), but I'm very happy with my 2405.

03-24-2006, 08:52 PM	#10 (permalink)
Taehoon Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 518 +0 Internets	http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/ghosting.html Yeah...I can definitely see ghosting with that (in full screen).

03-24-2006, 08:57 PM	#12 (permalink)
Taehoon Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 518 +0 Internets	Yeah I thought about getting an AVIA disc (would like to calibrate my TVs too) but I wasn't sure how well it would work with a computer based LCD screen. I get by though with adjusting things in the regular menus and drivers. It isn't so bad now, but I have it set to 0 brightness.

04-07-2006, 07:31 PM	#13 (permalink)
Zuuljin So there's this plane on a treadmill... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Southern California Posts: 2,952 +2 Internets	I was looking at this Dell monitor today thinking about buying it, but I had a few questsions about LCD's in general. I'v read somewhere that things dont look so pretty if you dont run them at their recommended resolution. So when this thing has a resolution of 1920x1200, is it actually going to look crappy if my computer cant run games that high? The dead pixle thing also scares the crap out of me, because I dont want to buy a $800 monitor only to have 1 dead pixle, which isnt considered broken, ruin everything I run on it. Also I'v heard talk about Motorolla having new LCD hardware? Anyone know about that?

04-07-2006, 08:00 PM	#14 (permalink)
Yohansen Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 42 +0 Internets	I got a Dell 24" and it had a dead pixel, it was in a bad spot and wasn't covered under warranty unless it was 8 or more. I just returned it no problem, of course their returns are a bit on the slow side...

04-07-2006, 09:08 PM	#15 (permalink)
Aegdaien Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,174 -9 Internets	Just to update the thread, I went ahead and bought mine. I got it for $715 shipped with a 25% off coupon and a 35 off 300. I gotta say, so far its been worth every penny. Mine didn't have any dead pixels on arrival (thank god), so I didn't have to deal with returning it. UPS was a bit on the slow side but thats normal around here. Zuul, it really depends on the game. I can post pics this weekend of EQ2 running at different resolutions and you can see what you think...personally I wouldn't run it at anything other than the recommended resolution but its somewhat subjective. For BF2 there is no native widescreen support so I run it at 1600x1200 which looks ok for a FPS. I decided as far as HDCP and whatnot wasn't worth waiting for and potentially paying a premium.