Regarding Aspbergers

[Bralkan]

Originally Posted by Cathan

I fucking hate the new shit though, especially that song where he says, "would you bite... the hand that feeds you...." a fukn thousand times. Redundancy shows lack of intelligence and creativity imo.

Because redundancy can't be a specific form of communication?

You have one fucked up view of the world. Thats ok, mines probably fucked up to you.

[Cathan]

If I stood next to you and said don't lick my balls 10 X in a row would it not annoy you? That's what I'm equating the song, and in general, redundancy, to....

[Eomer]

So songs as a form of communication should have the same structure and arrangement as typical conversation? That makes zero sense.

[Dintorr]

I have some friends who have a child with Aspbergers. He's a real mess, and his parents are completely in denial.

He wakes up at night screaming about red and green spiders attacking him, he eats dirt (this is called Pica), and his social skills are terrible.

He has a fixation on the weather. Every morning he will check the 5-day forecast, write it down on little pieces of paper, and then put those pieces of paper in all the neighbor's mail boxes. If the forecast says "rain at 2:00" and it doesn't rain at exactly 2:00 he gets very upset and throws a fit.

The worst part is that his parents aren't doing anything to try and help him. Their response is "well, he's just a young boy, he'll grow out of it soon."

He's a nice kid, but he's extremely wacky.

[Frawdo]

Originally Posted by Cathan

I think the brain is far more complex than any of us knows and will ever know in our lifetimes....

Psychology is an odd discipline - it's the brain trying to understand itself. If you look at it in a certain, somewhat logical, way, it's almost redundant. It's like using a theory to prove the same theory.

[painbringer]

Dintorr..

That is where YOU, as a friend in need, steps in and helps with his education.

3 quick whacks with the belt will get his attention, then tell him that the next time, its 6.. then 9, and so on for a repeated mistake. He will quickly learn to behave normally!
With each new mistake, start over with 3 for that one..

Less carrot, more stick, that's how you deal with little shits like that. Most parrents today dont understand the stick part, so this is where YOU can help!

Later in life, he might thank you for your effort, so dont feel bad while doing the good deeds!

[GaliemVaelant]

He'll learn how to control it with time, at least to an extent. He'll always be... Well, Eomer ironically puts it well. It is basically social retardation.

To be honest, I don't know whether being diagnosed with Aspberger's at a young age is a good thing or not. Many people who suffer from it have a very hard time functioning in society. I owe my starting to get ahead in life to my dad's not knowing, and his beating my ass when I flipped, or when I did something very socially inappropriate. I may come off as a nerd, but I've learned how to avoid most huge social fuckups.

When kids are diagnosed with Aspberger's, their acting out then becomes okay in the parents' eyes, because it's part of the disorder. That shit don't fly, and in the decades to come we'll be seeing some very overly fucked up adults due to it.

I agree too that every person alive would be found to have a few disorders if they were to be extensively tested. I just think that they would be very, very minor in folks closer to the norm.

[Bralkan]

But thats just because of the faulty logic of the parents.

Because you get AIDS you shouldn't go have sex with people to pass it on. You don't just say "well, its the nature of the disorder to be passed sexually" so..its cool.

As with most things, it comes with proper parenting. This may mean taking a syndrome into an account, but that just means you alter the game plan - not throw out the victory.

And your wrong - Psychology disorders have symptons that sure, could be seen in most everday people. What makes a real psychology disorder different then a individual quark is when the behavior REALLY REALLY gets in the way of a normal life. Example - breaking down when it doesn't rain at exactly 2:12 pm as perdicted is a psychological disorder.

[GaliemVaelant]

Something does not have to be absolutely destructive to every day life to be a disorder, though. It can just be disruptive. Consider an OCD guy who feels he must drive around the block three times every time he leaves his house. This won't necessarily prevent him from leading a normal life, but it is most certainly outside the realm of normal.

The worst cases are the ones that really, really get in the way of normal life, but those aren't the only cases. There's an autistic guy who has been giving lectures about autism to people. He has two PhD's: one in English, and one in Art. Obviously, he has been able to overcome his problems, but he's still autistic.

Really, where we differ here is the difference between a disorder and a disorder that requires treatment. Another good example is an alcoholic who has quit drinking. That person will always be strongly tempted to revert, and thus will always be an alcoholic, but that does not mean that they can't overcome it to get their life together.

This is an important difference to have in mind when dealing with kids with these problems. Without this, you don't have the possibility of raising them to be successful in life.

The reason I agree that most folks could be diagnosed with at least a less extreme case of something each is that we, as human beings, no longer live in our natural setting. We're not genetically built for the society that we've created; our minds just have given us the ability to overcome our instinctual nature. Thus, there is always some form of conflict between what a person's genes are better built for and the way that they actually live. It seems very likely to me that the conflict between instinct and mind through this leads to at least some small abnormalities in thought or behavior in all people.

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[TheGoat]

a friend in need is a friend indeed

a friend with weed is better

[Cathan]

Originally Posted by Eomer

So songs as a form of communication should have the same structure and arrangement as typical conversation? That makes zero sense.

That's not what I said at all. Most every song has repetition, ie chorus lines are a perfect example for mainstream music. To restate my argument: I think songs that repeat the same lyric more than 3 X consecutively annoy the fuck out of me. Have none of you heard the new NIN song I was referring to?

The last time I liked a song with mass repetition in it I think it was "Come as you are" by Nirvana where he said Yeah (long and drawn out) several times in a row.

Are you (Eomer) pissed because I said you fuck your mom and your sister? I'm sorry man, I didn't think it was true when I said it....

[Cathan]

Originally Posted by Frawdo

Psychology is an odd discipline - it's the brain trying to understand itself. If you look at it in a certain, somewhat logical, way, it's almost redundant. It's like using a theory to prove the same theory.

That's deep.... That rabbit hole could be never ending. Maybe we'll have to wait for intelligent life other than humans to find the answer to that question...

[Eomer]

Are you (Eomer) pissed because I said you fuck your mom and your sister? I'm sorry man, I didn't think it was true when I said it....

No, not really. Thanks for trying twice though!

[Duppin]

If you're going to use a medical condition as an excuse for poor behavior...

You should take the time to learn how to spell it correctly.

Asperger's.