Regarding Aspbergers

[Kruggy]

As someone who, a year ago, was recently accused by my family of having this syndrome, having read this article and many like it before, I am inclined to believe that we do not suffer from this. That in fact this is the result of a social disorder and not a medical one. Of course, my entire arguement could be shutdown right now if there were physical evidence (CT scans, cellular study, etc.) rather than anecdotal examples.

There are so many variables to be considered in one's life, aside from our genetic makeup which is mostly beyond our control, that determine how we develop as a person. When I see how they define this Asperger's Syndrome, I feel as though they do not ask themselves "Which came first?". And by that I mean the symptoms they describe, or the social constructs that are supposedly a result of these things.

To quote some things from some websites:

When threats and dares are uttered on the playground, normal children might know when another child is bluffing, when to ask an adult to intervene and when to stand up for themselves. Asperger's kids might miss all these cues, and get into unnecessary fights, or allow themselves to be cowed by a kid who was only teasing, marking them as an easy target for bullies.

As much as it pains me to say it, I will admit that my parents did not raise me to be prepared to enter society. Not that any parent could prefectly engineer such a child, but there are certain expectations about human nature that a kid should be prepared to encounter.

By definition, those with AS have a normal IQ and many individuals (although not all), exhibit exceptional skill or talent in a specific area. Because of their high degree of functionality and their naiveté, those with AS are often viewed as eccentric or odd and can easily become victims of teasing and bullying. While language development seems, on the surface, normal, individuals with AS often have deficits in pragmatics and prosody. Vocabularies may be extraordinarily rich and some children sound like "little professors." However, persons with AS can be extremely literal and have difficulty using language in a social context.

Again, they insist on these social examples, but how is this related? This sounds like a classic case of a nerd unable to fit in with the social norm. A child that enters society, raised in uncommon traditions, with uncommon traits, that alienates them from the rest of the group. Every little difference that incurs some kind of physical or verbal wrath that further exiles them from the crowd. Is it any surprise that such a child lacks the development of social skills?

the computer field is a natural haven for those with Asperger's Syndrome.

Again, this is pretty standard for the nerd culture and where someone who lacks social skills ends up. It's practically a sterotype.

It's important to remember that the person with AS perceives the world very differently. Therefore, many behaviors that seem odd or unusual are due to those neurological differences and not the result of intentional rudeness or bad behavior, and most certainly not the result of "improper parenting".

Could they be any more obvious with their blame shifting?

Often overly sensitive to sounds, tastes, smells, and sights, the person with AS may prefer soft clothing, certain foods, and be bothered by sounds or lights no one else seems to hear or see.

Admittingly, I do tend to notice things visually and audibly that my friends and others don't pick up on right away. I usually have a good sense of direction and good memory in terms of mapreading and remembering paths I take when traveling. Perhaps it's more OCD(obessive compulsive disorder) than AS. Doesn't seem so bad if you ask me. If anything it has only made me a better gamer .

The only other examples they provide are tests that determine whether or not a baby is developing certain skills at normal rates, and even that does not guarantee anything either way. For the most part they cite symptoms of eccentric behavior, repetitive movements and habits, attention to complex patterns with regards to the likes of music or weather, and a lack of social reciprocity - nearly all of which could be said for almost the entire populace of this board. But it doesn't make them autistic. As you said, you went 24 years before ultimately acknowledging it. I myself was 22 when it was brought to my attention. They call it a neurobiological disorder, but where is the biology in this study? Sounds more like anthropology to me.



Shit...and I wanted my first post to be in the PGT. Better go make amends.

[Bralkan]

are you an only child?

http://www.randsinrepose.com/archive...7/10/nadd.html

[redav]

Originally Posted by GaliemVaelant

I catch a lot of flack on this site, so I wanted to explain a few things. I'm only writing this because some folks here are totally clueless when it comes to this topic. This is put in general because it's off topic, not intended to be funny, and has nothing to do with anything else on the site.

This thread is not meant to be entertaining. It can sink to the bottom, and serve its purpose there. It is needed, though, because I'm tired of spending two pages out of every thread I post in refuting bullshit from people who have apparently never met anyone different from themselves. I'm pretty sure that others are sick of that shit too.

First of all, read this.

People jump down my throat for being too serious. People think I'm trying to make people think that I'm smart or some shit.

First of all, that is how I think. About everything. There is nothing that is not serious. There is no simple, silly, immature shit to have fun with in my world. That's why I come here. Because there's plenty of that here (especially in screenshots) to augment what the real world can't give me.

I don't want pity. I don't want special treatment. I don't want people to think I'm smart. I just want to be on equal fucking footing in a realm where I can't be normally.

So when I post something that's not funny, there's no need for anyone to take the time to point out that it's not funny. Folks who have done that are just being dicks. If a couple years of post patterns haven't shown you that I usually can't be funny, then you're retarded.

When I post something and go too into detail, I can't fucking help it.

In other words, just fucking gloss over the post if you don't like it, and move along. On the rare occasions where I do say something funny, then fucking laugh. In other words, treat me like anyone else instead of pointing out the same obvious fucking things over and over.

The people who this applies to know who they are. All I'm asking is just leave me fucking be, unless I'm somehow hurting some one. I don't see how it would be possible to do that through this site.

For the inevitable list of "who cares" or flames:

"Who cares?" -- Good. Exactly. Thank you.

flames -- fucking grow up, and stop being so predictable.

Now that this has been spelled out for the fucktards who don't get it on their own, I can just refer back to it with a link instead of making a long post and gaying up thread after thread thanks to those fucks.

I don't care about being flamed. That's part of posting here. I do think it's fucking stupid when the same obvious and unfunny bullshit is posted in a reply to me over and over and over and over, as if the poster thinks that it hasn't been said, that I haven't read it a thousand times before, or that I don't fucking already know. Enough is e-fucking-nough already.

Or, alternatively, people can act like they don't have a brain by doing the same thing the same way over and over, and then act like they're surprised that the same thing happens every time. I get the feeling that some people who post here are surprised and amused when the (OMG) gravity works every day!

Have a good night.

Editing completed.

Are you taking medication for this Asperger's Syndrome?

[GaliemVaelant]

No, I'm not taking medication for it. In some cases, medication is prescribed for things that go with the disorder for some folks, but there is no fix for the disorder itself.


Also, I don't want anyone to change their posting habits really. It will just be easier for me to ignore stupid shit now that I've come out with this because... Well, if I had shrapnel in my leg, and played on a football team, then no matter how I played, people would notice the limp. Sooner or later, I'd have to mention the shrapnel. Bad comparison maybe, but change shrapnel to bugs, leg to head, football to goofing off, and team to... Whatever, and there you go.

I'll be fine IRL, Frawdo.

Kruggy,

Mount Sinai School of Medicine – Neuroscience PET Laboratory

Research Study: “Diffusion Tensor Imaging in Autism and Asperger’s Disorder”

(GCO# 00-0951, IRB approved through 7/31/04)

We are looking for individuals with autism and/or Asperger’s Disorder (18- 40 years old) in the New York City area to participate in a neuroimaging research study. The purpose of this study is to learn more about which areas of the brain are involved in attention and how they connect with each other. By learning more about the mechanisms of attention, the investigators may help the discovery of new treatments for autism, Asperger’s Disorder, and other neurological and psychiatric illnesses.

Your participation will involve three visits to Mount Sinai School of Medicine. The first visit will involve a diagnostic interview to clinically verify your diagnosis. In addition, you will receive a Positron Emission Tomography (PET) scan and a Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI) scan on separate days.

If you receive both PET and MRI scans you will receive $200 in reimbursement for your time and expenses. You will receive $100 if you only have one of the scans.

If you are interested in participating in our research study or if you have any questions, please contact Liz LiCalzi at 212-241-6314 or email elizabeth.licalzi@mssm.edu

For more information about the Neuroscience PET Laboratory visit our website: www.mssm.edu/psychiatry/PETlab.shtml

There have been a few studies like this before. There's a part of the brain that's less active in aspies and parts that are over-active. I don't know enough about those scans to give specific details, unfortunately.

I've never had scans done to find out the specifics of where the bugs lie in my head. I have had scans done for injuries, and the techs always come back saying something like "You'll be fine, but we did see something else that's interesting."

[painbringer]

Shiiiieet... i just diagnosed allmost everybody here at my workplace as assburgers..

>Clues that they are boring someone with the depths and details of their interests pass them by

Couldn't be more true..


>Their ability to focus like a laser on very intricate topics make them extremely well-suited to certain fields of endeavor; the computer field is a natural haven for those with Asperger's Syndrome.

We do chip design...



*sigh*

Those that aren't assburgers, now they, are just crazy people!
Ooooo the stories...

[Rune]

Originally Posted by Kruggy

As someone who, a year ago, was recently accused by my family of having this syndrome, having read this article and many like it before, I am inclined to believe that we do not suffer from this. That in fact this is the result of a social disorder and not a medical one. Of course, my entire arguement could be shutdown right now if there were physical evidence (CT scans, cellular study, etc.) rather than anecdotal examples.

There are so many variables to be considered in one's life, aside from our genetic makeup which is mostly beyond our control, that determine how we develop as a person. When I see how they define this Asperger's Syndrome, I feel as though they do not ask themselves "Which came first?". And by that I mean the symptoms they describe, or the social constructs that are supposedly a result of these things.

To quote some things from some websites:

As much as it pains me to say it, I will admit that my parents did not raise me to be prepared to enter society. Not that any parent could prefectly engineer such a child, but there are certain expectations about human nature that a kid should be prepared to encounter.


Again, they insist on these social examples, but how is this related? This sounds like a classic case of a nerd unable to fit in with the social norm. A child that enters society, raised in uncommon traditions, with uncommon traits, that alienates them from the rest of the group. Every little difference that incurs some kind of physical or verbal wrath that further exiles them from the crowd. Is it any surprise that such a child lacks the development of social skills?


Again, this is pretty standard for the nerd culture and where someone who lacks social skills ends up. It's practically a sterotype.


Could they be any more obvious with their blame shifting?


Admittingly, I do tend to notice things visually and audibly that my friends and others don't pick up on right away. I usually have a good sense of direction and good memory in terms of mapreading and remembering paths I take when traveling. Perhaps it's more OCD(obessive compulsive disorder) than AS. Doesn't seem so bad if you ask me. If anything it has only made me a better gamer .

The only other examples they provide are tests that determine whether or not a baby is developing certain skills at normal rates, and even that does not guarantee anything either way. For the most part they cite symptoms of eccentric behavior, repetitive movements and habits, attention to complex patterns with regards to the likes of music or weather, and a lack of social reciprocity - nearly all of which could be said for almost the entire populace of this board. But it doesn't make them autistic. As you said, you went 24 years before ultimately acknowledging it. I myself was 22 when it was brought to my attention. They call it a neurobiological disorder, but where is the biology in this study? Sounds more like anthropology to me.



Shit...and I wanted my first post to be in the PGT. Better go make amends.

Right on.

Neuroimaging will show differences, because, shocker! They've developed differently.

My mom accused me of having either this or mild autism for most of my life in order to cope with how poorly she raised me. She's full of shit. This is a social disorder, not a fucking biological disease.

Christ.

[Eomer]

Yeah, so basically aspbergers = socially retarded?

Sorry, couldn't resist. I'm sorry you're socially awkward, but I'm not sure what triggered this post. Who gives a shit if you get cut down from time to time? This is a video game board, and chances are those doing the cutting are no more socially comfortable than you. Unless it's me. I fuck supermodels.

[GaliemVaelant]

Better descriptions:

http://www.aspergers.org/what_is_aspergers_syndrome.htm
http://www.udel.edu/bkirby/asperger/

Y'all have already touched on a couple myths:

http://www.aspergers.org/myths_about...s_syndrome.htm

Aspergers is caused by poor parenting……Aspergers is not the result of the way one is brought up. Current research has determined that there is a genetic component. Parents of children with Aspergers often possess many Aspergerish traits. For example, a father may be perseverative and a mother display rigidity. The child diagnosed with Aspergers has the combination of traits from both parents that combine together to fit the Asperger diagnosis.

Of course, people tend to believe whatever they want to believe. The Earth is flat, the Earth is the center of the universe, and sea monsters come ashore to steal leprochauns' babies every second Thursday of July. Believe what you want, if it makes your world better somehow.

[James]

Eomer gets sloppy seconds on my Supermodels, don't let him lie to you.

[Eomer]

That's a goddamn lie.

And after reading those other links, aspbergers still sounds like social retardation to me. Not trying to minimize what you deal with on a daily basis, but often it seems to me that pretty much every person on the planet would be diagnosed with about half a dozen psychological disorders if they were ever tested extensively. If everyone's got it, is it really a disorder? Not arguing with the experts, it just seems to me that pretty much everything is a mental disorder these days. I mean shit, I exhibit several of the symptoms for Aspbergers, as well as ADD, OCD, and probably half a dozen others.

And I still fuck supermodels.

[Sheela_CaurLir]

Damn, I suffer from N.A.D.D. somewhat fierce, with just one exception .. I don't own a TV.

I wonder if there's a disorder for obsessively using *all* your bandwidth *all* the time ?

[Cathan]

Originally Posted by Kruggy

As someone who, a year ago, was recently accused by my family of having this syndrome, having read this article and many like it before, I am inclined to believe that we do not suffer from this. That in fact this is the result of a social disorder and not a medical one. Of course, my entire arguement could be shutdown right now if there were physical evidence (CT scans, cellular study, etc.) rather than anecdotal examples.

There are so many variables to be considered in one's life, aside from our genetic makeup which is mostly beyond our control, that determine how we develop as a person. When I see how they define this Asperger's Syndrome, I feel as though they do not ask themselves "Which came first?". And by that I mean the symptoms they describe, or the social constructs that are supposedly a result of these things.

To quote some things from some websites:

As much as it pains me to say it, I will admit that my parents did not raise me to be prepared to enter society. Not that any parent could prefectly engineer such a child, but there are certain expectations about human nature that a kid should be prepared to encounter.


Again, they insist on these social examples, but how is this related? This sounds like a classic case of a nerd unable to fit in with the social norm. A child that enters society, raised in uncommon traditions, with uncommon traits, that alienates them from the rest of the group. Every little difference that incurs some kind of physical or verbal wrath that further exiles them from the crowd. Is it any surprise that such a child lacks the development of social skills?


Again, this is pretty standard for the nerd culture and where someone who lacks social skills ends up. It's practically a sterotype.


Could they be any more obvious with their blame shifting?


Admittingly, I do tend to notice things visually and audibly that my friends and others don't pick up on right away. I usually have a good sense of direction and good memory in terms of mapreading and remembering paths I take when traveling. Perhaps it's more OCD(obessive compulsive disorder) than AS. Doesn't seem so bad if you ask me. If anything it has only made me a better gamer .

The only other examples they provide are tests that determine whether or not a baby is developing certain skills at normal rates, and even that does not guarantee anything either way. For the most part they cite symptoms of eccentric behavior, repetitive movements and habits, attention to complex patterns with regards to the likes of music or weather, and a lack of social reciprocity - nearly all of which could be said for almost the entire populace of this board. But it doesn't make them autistic. As you said, you went 24 years before ultimately acknowledging it. I myself was 22 when it was brought to my attention. They call it a neurobiological disorder, but where is the biology in this study? Sounds more like anthropology to me.



Shit...and I wanted my first post to be in the PGT. Better go make amends.

I always wonder if a lot of mental illnesses or abberations are really as big of a deal as the medical profession would have us believe. I think the brain is far more complex than any of us knows and will ever know in our lifetimes....

Aside from that though, Are we, as humans, so willing to accept mental issues as some great illness that is as much a real handicap as a broken leg; or Are we just in denial, those of us that don't believe in mental illness...

I don't have any specific mental illness myself or any other medical or mental issue but I really wonder if some people would be better off living in denial of whatever their problem is and trying to ignore it and get by as best they can.

I'm not picking on galiem here at all. I actually side with you on people pointing out the obvious. Nothing I hate more than redundancy in something other than structures... I liked old nine inch nails because I thought it was good music. I fucking hate the new shit though, especially that song where he says, "would you bite... the hand that feeds you...." a fukn thousand times. Redundancy shows lack of intelligence and creativity imo.

And Eomer who said..., "And I still fuck supermodels."

Your mom is NOT a supermodel... neither is your sister...

[Ossoi]

i used to babysit a kid with aspergers..it was fun to deliberately provoke him, watch him explode then tell his parents about it

[Samus Aran]

I still can't get over Assburgers. I'm so mature.

[James]

Originally Posted by Cathan

And Eomer who said..., "And I still fuck supermodels."

Your mom is NOT a supermodel... neither is your sister...

I stand by my sloppy seconds comment.