Regarding Aspbergers

[Millie]

Originally Posted by GaliemVaelant

How long has the Middle East been a seat of civilization?

That being the case, you might want to add, oh, I dunno, "Civilization" itself to the list of things the Middle East has given us. The first civilized settlements in human history emerged in what is now present-day Iraq. In a way, you could credit the region with giving birth to every single accomplishment civilized society has ever achieved. Had it not been for the development of settled life, via the Middle East, we'd all still be sitting around in caves and talking about the good ol' days when we lived in trees.

[Bralkan]

I liked my tree. It was a cool maple.

[Eomer]

Eomer, had I been serious in the argument, then I'd have pointed out that even with the history buffs on this board going apeshit on me, only three contributions to the good of humankind could be found that came from the Middle East.

I guess the vast majority of domesticated crops and animals that allowed mankind to develop civilization as we know it don't count eh? Neither does the writing which was created there and to which most modern languages owe their written form to? I can go on and on, but it's a waste of time. The Fertile Crescent is pretty much entirely responsible and the basis for the entire world in which we live today. I pointed this out before, but I guess you weren't listening: only in the past 5 centuries has Europe been at the forefront of mankind, prior to that it was almost exclusively the Middle East which you so hate that led man out of the Neolithic era, and continued to hold the torch for millenia up until 1492. Had China's emperor not been a dumbass and banned building ocean-going ships around that time (there's evidence they sailed to Alaska and down the West Coast in the 1300's), we'd all be slants right now. Take your pick.

You're ignorant, stupid, and mentally deficient to boot. And no, I won't let it go.

[GaliemVaelant]

Originally Posted by Millie

That being the case, you might want to add, oh, I dunno, "Civilization" itself to the list of things the Middle East has given us. The first civilized settlements in human history emerged in what is now present-day Iraq. In a way, you could credit the region with giving birth to every single accomplishment civilized society has ever achieved. Had it not been for the development of settled life, via the Middle East, we'd all still be sitting around in caves and talking about the good ol' days when we lived in trees.

Nah, I'm sure that sooner or later folks would have come up with the ideas of algebra, law, and civilization (linked to show that it's spelled correctly, as you seemed to imply it wasn't). I'm not arguing with you though. My point was just that there were more routes to go, had I been arguing it before.

Had I come out and said, "Well, the Middle East has been credited with blah blah blah," then SS folks would have been like, "Great. Ben Stein is talking again." The way that I did that though, they were like, "OMG, Forester, look! Bubba's ownin' him some retard! Oh nos! I learned something!"

I'm sure not all folks thought that way or would have, had I posted the stuff itself, but you know that for some caricature of the SS forum, I went about it the right way to get those points across


Eomer, I enjoy your history lessons, but stop being such a hateful little imp over it. You're merely reminding me of what everyone here learned in 10th grade World History, 9th grade Geography, or even 8th grade general history. Just for shits and giggles, let's pretend you're right; that I'm ignorant, stupid, and mentally deficient. If that were the case, then what would it say about your fascination with proving it? Low on challenges lately, just trying to show off, or are you hot for the Muslim men? Really, I'm curious why you defend the honor of the Middle East with the ferocity of a rabid dog.

[Millie]

Originally Posted by GaliemVaelant

Nah, I'm sure that sooner or later folks would have come up with the ideas of algebra, law, and civilization (linked to show that it's spelled correctly, as you seemed to imply it wasn't).

I never implied that you misspelled the word. I put it in quotes because I was discussing the concept of civilization. It's common practice to do so.

[GaliemVaelant]

Ah I see

[Millie]

Originally Posted by GaliemVaelant

Eomer, I enjoy your history lessons, but stop being such a hateful little imp over it.... Really, I'm curious why you defend the honor of the Middle East with the ferocity of a rabid dog.

It's not that he is pro-Middle East; it's that you're so blindly anti-Middle East that he feels the need to correct your sweeping generalizations from time to time. You've been making some pretty ridiculous claims about the region that anyone with a 7th, 8th, 9th, or 10th grade history education can refute. It's your clear lack of those fundamentals that forces Eomer to cite high-school level knowledge. Either you were asleep in class throughout high school, history wasn't your best subject, or you were too busy picking fights with your classmates to pay attention. Take your pick.

Keep in mind that no one here has any love for the current regimes in power in the Middle East. But those regimes have little to nothing to do with what the Middle East has been historically. The Middle East of 10,000 years ago had absolutely nothing to do with jihad, Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden, terrorism, etc. It's not as if crediting the Middle East of antiquity with benefitting human civilization makes you anti-American.

Please note that I'm not accusing you of being stupid, ignorant, feeble-minded, or whatever else people have been calling you in this thread. I just think you're very upset over what you've experienced or seen in the Middle East these days, and you're projecting those feelings on the region as a whole, throughout history.

[GaliemVaelant]

You're half-right, Millie. I've actually been consitently anti-war (so far as the current one goes), but every conversation I've had about it has been exactly the same. It's funny. I've argued against the war since it started, and have preached equality and human rights non-stop. Years of arguing for the good has never made me stand out, but briefly pretending to hate Muslims has branded me instantly. It's kind-of sad that people notice bad things much faster and more fully than good things.

I appreciate what Eomer's doing, but at the same time, he wouldn't have to dig as much as he already has for historical citations to see that what I'm saying is true. That makes me wonder if there's another motive on his part; specifically that he wants to prove that I'm a dipshit, which seems silly. Thus my confusion with him.

Don't get me wrong though -- I am upset over what I see in the Middle East these days. I couldn't say that the Middle East has really fallen from a former glory though. The Code of Hammurabi was more brutal than the extremists are. True eye-for-an-eye laws are really vicious when it comes to accidents and mistakes.

[Eomer]

Millie pretty much covered it. Except for the "low blow" stuff, I'll keep on that horse if it's all the same.

[GaliemVaelant]

I would expect no less, Eomer.

[Eomer]

No problem, spazz.

And it's not my "love" of the middle east that keeps me on your case. It's my hatred of ignorant people who say stupid shit, and then don't have the balls to either continue believing in whatever it was that they said, or directly admit "gee I was wrong on that, sorry." If you'd said "oh sorry Eomer, I guess I was mistaken on my impression of the contribution of middle eastern people's to mankind, but I still think there's some serious cultural problems there" I'd have been like high five man. But no, instead you concoct this ridiculous story about your mission to enlighten people about the middle east, then in the same breath continue to disparage it's massive contributions to the history and advancement of mankind. That's why I was immediately suspicious of your purse story as well, and your "wife" posting, because you seem to have another mental condition that I don't have a fancy name for offhand: pathological liar.

[Eomer]

Nah, I'm sure that sooner or later folks would have come up with the ideas of algebra, law, and civilization (linked to show that it's spelled correctly, as you seemed to imply it wasn't). I'm not arguing with you though. My point was just that there were more routes to go, had I been arguing it before.

China developed at a pretty similar pace as the Fertile Crescent for the most part, a bit behind. But those two regions were far and away more developed sooner in man's history than anywhere else for a lot of reasons. Civilization, writing, intensive food production/domestication, and so on developed independently in a number of areas throughout the world. But those two regions had huge advantages over all others that had nothing to do with the people living there. The biggest being wild plants and large mammals that were suitable for domestication. The vast majority of the world's staple crops and domestic animals originated in those two locations, and were then exported to the rest of the world. Due to man's late start in other areas and not evolving alongside the large mammals of the Americas and Australia, he pretty much whiped them all out within a few millenia of arriving in those places, and was subsequently doomed to never developing large scale food production (with some exceptions) that could support nation states as we know them. Domesticable plants are the same story, except for the extinction part. There simply wasn't that many useful plants to domesticate outside of those two major areas, and even if there was, it would have been difficult for large scale food production to arise without domestic animal's and the mechanical power they provide.

Had I come out and said, "Well, the Middle East has been credited with blah blah blah," then SS folks would have been like, "Great. Ben Stein is talking again." The way that I did that though, they were like, "OMG, Forester, look! Bubba's ownin' him some retard! Oh nos! I learned something!"

I'm sure not all folks thought that way or would have, had I posted the stuff itself, but you know that for some caricature of the SS forum, I went about it the right way to get those points across

No, as I said above, you're full of shit. Continuing this lie is comical, so keep it up.

Eomer, I enjoy your history lessons, but stop being such a hateful little imp over it. You're merely reminding me of what everyone here learned in 10th grade World History, 9th grade Geography, or even 8th grade general history. Just for shits and giggles, let's pretend you're right; that I'm ignorant, stupid, and mentally deficient. If that were the case, then what would it say about your fascination with proving it? Low on challenges lately, just trying to show off, or are you hot for the Muslim men? Really, I'm curious why you defend the honor of the Middle East with the ferocity of a rabid dog.

Same reason I enjoy watching some poor dad get nailed in the balls with his son's baseball bat on America's Funniest Home Videos: it's entertaining.

[Millie]

Originally Posted by GaliemVaelant

...briefly pretending to hate Muslims has branded me instantly.

No one here honestly believes that you've been "briefly pretending to hate Muslims." You've got dozens of posts under your belt tossing out phrases like "sand nigger," suggesting that the entire region has been a blight on humanity, suggesting that Muslims have contributed little to human civilization, etc. You need to stop making ridiculous, unsupported arguments, then retreating to the old "I was only kidding/trolling" excuse when people call you out on it. That's the sort of argumentative logic 12-year-olds use on the Battle.Net forums.

No one's buying your excuses. My suggestion is that you cut your losses here, and try to move on.

[Eomer]

Yeah, cause Eomer just closed a job and has all afternoon...

[Duppin]

I think he might just be waiting for Algrinon to come to his defense. Although Algrinon likes "towelhead" better than "sand nigger".