London hit by terror attack on the tube/busses

[Braen]

Originally Posted by Kildace

Because there never was any terrorist incident in GB before this one and the US is the first country ever to have had terrorist-related casualties.

I think Isreal would have something to say about that.

[Mkopec1]

Originally Posted by Eomer

This is not the thread to debate this, so I'll only say that if you honestly think that you really need to take some history lessons.

You knw why we started it?

Because before WWII and the strike on Perle Harbor, we took the back seat to world affairs. And it bit us in the ass.

Since then weve been pro-active in the world political scene.

Its all nice to talk shit from a country which is essentially protected forever by the US. Its also a much easyer thing to do as Canada to bury your head in the sand and shrug off world events while your watching your hockey, drinking Labbats and watching your 2 smoke plants grow.

Edit: Good to see you and your family were uninjured Bog!

[Dis]

Originally Posted by Daerath

We didn't *start it*. Al Qaeda would have just found another reason to blow shit up, like, oh, not giving them everything they ever wanted or could want in the future.

That is kind of a cosmic way to view the situation. Fact is we (being the US) and others (being Europe, some countries more than others) stirred the pot actively with our meddling in Middle Eastern politics in order to look out for our "best interests". Fact is if you want to look at Eomer's post where he pretty much gave a good run down on American intervention in the Middle East all of the wars, and terrorist activities can be summed up with a one word reason:


Energy


We dont care about death and destruction of people in countries, only if it happens to be in the same country that will keep our homes warm and our cars moving. Obviously there is some logic in making sure our (United States) future isnt in the hands of a small, fanatically religious, uneducated zealots, but maybe we could have done things a tad bit better. Without getting into a long speech, I think further discussion of this deserves it's own thread.



Dis

[AngryGerbil]

Originally Posted by Braen

I think Isreal would have something to say about that.

Aradune called, he said your sarcasm detector is broke and he doesn't want to be your friend anymore.

[Braen]

Originally Posted by AngryGerbil

Aradune called, he said your sarcasm detector is broke and he doesn't want to be your friend anymore.

Damn I knew posting from work would get me in trouble. I was skimming through the back and forth and saw that. Should read slower in the future. Thank you Mr. Gerbil

And you must be right, I am not in Friends and Family beta.. OH NOEZ!

[Turkish]

Good to see you post. Man, I realized I read this damn forum way too much when I heard the news I thought "Damn, I hope everything is cool with Bog"

[Mkopec1]

Originally Posted by Dis

That is kind of a cosmic way to view the situation. Fact is we (being the US) and others (being Europe, some countries more than others) stirred the pot actively with our meddling in Middle Eastern politics in order to look out for our "best interests". Fact is if you want to look at Eomer's post where he pretty much gave a good run down on American intervention in the Middle East all of the wars, and terrorist activities can be summed up with a one word reason:


Energy


We dont care about death and destruction of people in countries, only if it happens to be in the same country that will keep our homes warm and our cars moving. Obviously there is some logic in making sure our (United States) future isnt in the hands of a small, fanatically religious, uneducated zealots, but maybe we could have done things a tad bit better. Without getting into a long speech, I think further discussion of this deserves it's own thread.



Dis

There is a bit of truth in twhat you say, but I honestly dont believe it holds that much weight in what we do in the middle east. fuck, if we were so hard up for Iraq's oil, we would of had it long time ago, or at least set up a puppet gov and let that oil flow.

I just dont buy the whole fucking "We are at war for oil BS"

Are w there partly because of energy, sure, but again, it does not hold that much weight as you think it does.

[Algrinon]

Glad to hear you are all ok. I have the fondest memories of spending New Years Eve, 1995, in Trafalgar Square. I hope you realize that America stands with you and your countrymen in this dire time.

Sidebar: Londoners are some of the hardest, if not the hardest, mentally gritty people on this earth. They took a pounding from the German air and V2 rocket raids. They will persevere again. I am sure.

[AngryGerbil]

Originally Posted by Mkopec1

There is a bit of truth in twhat you say, but I honestly dont believe it holds that much weight in what we do in the middle east. fuck, if we were so hard up for Iraq's oil, we would of had it long time ago, or at least set up a puppet gov and let that oil flow.

I just dont buy the whole fucking "We are at war for oil BS"

Are w there partly because of energy, sure, but again, it does not hold that much weight as you think it does.

If we are not interested in the middle east for oil, then why are we?

If all those people had over there was sand and more sand, they'd be nothing and have nothing. As it stands, they have billions of dollars flowing through the hands of shithead dictators who are dispersing it as they see fit. Why? Oil.

I'm not exactly saying the Iraq war was "for oil". What I am saying, is that if it wasn't for all the oil over there, noone in the western world would give a speck of a shit about any of it and they wouldn't have all the money and weapons and voice that they currently have. There wouldn't have been the Saudi Princes, the Iranian Shah, The bin-Laden family fortune, Saddam Hussein, nuclear programs needing UN monitoring...none of them would have even existed. And if they did, they certainly wouldn't be as powerful as they are/were without oil money flowing in all the time, and therefore, not only wouldn't we give a shit about them, we wouldn't have to.

For an example, see Africa.

[Samus Aran]

It looks like the war between the wizards is growing and becoming more violent. Normally the Ministry of Magic does a better job of covering up these things. I just hope no members of the OotP were hurt.

We all know Voldemort was responsible for these horrible attacks today and we can only hope that Ministry finds away to end his reign of terror soon.


Seriously though, hang in there all you homies in London. I’m gunna be pouring a 40 out for you guys tonight. Glad you are safe bog.

Don't let the muggles get you down!

[Itzena]

http://www.lnreview.co.uk/news/005167.php

What the fuck do you think you're doing?

This is London. We've dealt with your sort before. You don't try and pull this on us.

Do you have any idea how many times our city has been attacked? Whatever you're trying to do, it's not going to work.

All you've done is end some of our lives, and ruin some more. How is that going to help you? You don't get rewarded for this kind of crap.

And if, as your MO indicates, you're an al-Qaeda group, then you're out of your tiny minds.

Because if this is a message to Tony Blair, we've got news for you. We don't much like our government ourselves, or what they do in our name. But, listen very clearly. We'll deal with that ourselves. We're London, and we've got our own way of doing things, and it doesn't involve tossing bombs around where innocent people are going about their lives.

And that's because we're better than you. Everyone is better than you. Our city works. We rather like it. And we're going to go about our lives. We're going to take care of the lives you ruined. And then we're going to work. And we're going down the pub.

So you can pack up your bombs, put them in your arseholes, and get the fuck out of our city.

[titan_atlas]

Bog glad your ok, was kinda afraid I wouldn't get to peruse your wit much. I do have a question. When 9/11 happened and a bit after that, we saw a couple responses, one was proactive and the other was defensive. Liberals for the most part seemed to want to build a big wall let nobody in and try to appease (ie use diplomacy). Conservatives and middle america seemed much more gung ho, lets get those fuckers. My question is, what kind of response do you invision coming from Great Britain. I know there was alot of flak over us going to war in the first place. Do you think this will kinda slap some of the naysayers in the face? Anyways, know your probably busy, hope to hear something from someone on this.

[frott]

Originally Posted by Mkopec1

I just dont buy the whole fucking "We are at war for oil BS"

Are w there partly because of energy, sure, but again, it does not hold that much weight as you think it does.

Everyone intelligent in the world disagrees with you.
Every war in history has been about one thing:

1. Who has control over resources.

You can layer veils of "moral justification" or even "religious dictum" on this core idea, but those are just validations for who gets control over resources.

Terrorist attacks are basically: we can't fight you on even ground because you didn't sell us enough weapons, but we want you to stop fucking with our resources and we'll fight however we can.

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Funny that pearl harbor is mentioned: It's pretty well documented that FDR provoked the attack on Hawaii (not a US territory at the time, oops, but hey feel free to log onto the US Dept of State website to see their revisionist's history) because noone in the US congress wanted involvement in the war. Hmm, lets attack ourselves to drum up favoritism towards war.

Sorry, but there hasn't really been enough terrorism here Stateside to really convince me that there is an Enemy and I should support the Leader to achieve Victory.

[titan_atlas]

[quote=frott]Funny that pearl harbor is mentioned: It's pretty well documented that FDR provoked the attack on Hawaii (not a US territory at the time, oops, but hey feel free to log onto the US Dept of State website to see their revisionist's history) because noone in the US congress wanted involvement in the war. Hmm, lets attack ourselves to drum up favoritism towards war.[\QUOTE]

Seriously, you are an idiot. It is very well known the Germans were in contact with both Japan and Mexico. They were trying to get them to attack us so we would be busy at home and wouldn't be able to allocate resources to the euro fight. Revisionist my ass. The only time in American history that has been proven we would even think of "attacking ourselves" is during the cuban missle crisis with some high level generals. Yay for presidents from Massachusetts. Fucktard.

[frott]

All you've done is end some of our lives, and ruin some more. How is that going to help you? You don't get rewarded for this kind of crap.

Surely the bad guys must have some motive. Can anyone possibly figure it out? I'm pretty sure it doesn't have anything to do with a reward.