God, nothingness, life, death...

[Kolle]

Well the reason I bring aliens into is because humans always look for a start. How we got here and why is a big question.

The oldest civilization that we know of believed aliens created us. The Sumerians claimed there was a large planet with a huge eliptcial orbit around our sun. They believed those aliens created them by manipulating the dna of the humanoids already living here to server as a labor force.

As the story goes, they had to modify us numerous times. It got to a point where a portion of the aliens believed we shouldn't be treated as labor anymore and more like equals in the sense of respect and good relations. The aliens had a rift between them and it eventually erupted into a war. The Sumerians described the end of their civilization at the hand of a black wind. They described massive death and things similar to radiation, such as hair and nails falling out. Births being horribly deformed or stillborn.

One might want to write this off as bullshit, but it's what they believed. You might not take them seriously at all, either. But there are things about their culture that are amazing.

They claimed to gain the knowledge they had from those aliens, the Annunaki, which means those who came down from heaven (or something close to that).

One of the most interesting things to me about them is that they knew our planets. Modern science didn't discover neptune until a few hundred years ago and we didn't even know about Pluto until about 50 or so years ago.

Not only did they know all the planets were there, they knew what colors they were. Also something we didn't know till one of our sattelites flew by as it left the solar system some time ago.


It's really fascinating because their culture seems to have sprung outa nowhere. There's no leadup. Just all of a sudden there they are with laws, irrigation, sewage system, government, art, etc...




Anyway, just a theory. Some people believe all the cases where you see people explaining our creationg, especially christianity, was actually aliens. There are those who believe people like Lucifer really did exist and was an alien. Stories of all these things float through time but with each retelling it gets further away from the truth.

[Jimmee]

Another question that's worth considering. If our universe is expanding (most evidence points towards this) then what exists outwith the boundaries of the outward expansion? It would be outside the existance of mater as we know it and if (as has been mentioned) the idea that things like time and the other laws of our universe were solidified when the singularity began to expand then what are the laws that govern our reality like outwith this?

[Dexz]

Originally posted by Kolle
Well the reason I bring aliens into is because humans always look for a start. How we got here and why is a big question.

The oldest civilization that we know of believed aliens created us. The Sumerians claimed there was a large planet with a huge eliptcial orbit around our sun. They believed those aliens created them by manipulating the dna of the humanoids already living here to server as a labor force.

As the story goes, they had to modify us numerous times. It got to a point where a portion of the aliens believed we shouldn't be treated as labor anymore and more like equals in the sense of respect and good relations. The aliens had a rift between them and it eventually erupted into a war. The Sumerians described the end of their civilization at the hand of a black wind. They described massive death and things similar to radiation, such as hair and nails falling out. Births being horribly deformed or stillborn.

One might want to write this off as bullshit, but it's what they believed. You might not take them seriously at all, either. But there are things about their culture that are amazing.

They claimed to gain the knowledge they had from those aliens, the Annunaki, which means those who came down from heaven (or something close to that).

One of the most interesting things to me about them is that they knew our planets. Modern science didn't discover neptune until a few hundred years ago and we didn't even know about Pluto until about 50 or so years ago.

Not only did they know all the planets were there, they knew what colors they were. Also something we didn't know till one of our sattelites flew by as it left the solar system some time ago.


It's really fascinating because their culture seems to have sprung outa nowhere. There's no leadup. Just all of a sudden there they are with laws, irrigation, sewage system, government, art, etc...




Anyway, just a theory. Some people believe all the cases where you see people explaining our creationg, especially christianity, was actually aliens. There are those who believe people like Lucifer really did exist and was an alien. Stories of all these things float through time but with each retelling it gets further away from the truth.

Aliens manipulating DNA ? One to many X-files my friend.

The world was flat once also...

Secondly if you have ever studied Evolution for more than 5 minutes between RPG games and X-files reruns then you would have a small graps on how all life on this planet has the nice little ability to change and adapt to the environment.

[Kolle]

I'm not reporting it as truth. It's what the Sumerians believed and recorded. Just sharing.

Although I find it more likely than religion.


And I don't really see how it's so far fetched. A lot of the things they wrote down make you wonder how they knew it in the first place, seeing as how it's stuff modern science didn't know until last century.

[Belefuu]

I've always wondered about that Jimmee. I always thought of the universe as infinitely large, which is a staggering idea. It gives rise to such theories as, if the universe goes on forever, wouldn't every possibility eventually come to fruition? In other words, since there is no limit, if you searched far enough, you would eventually find an exact replica of the Star Wars universe... or any far fetched universe you can imagine. Taking into account such things as multiple Big Bang universes, all with different physical laws makes it even more mind boggling.

[Kolle]

Dr. Michio Kaku did a really great radio interview the other day about that. I thought it was incredibly interesting.

You could still d/l and listen to it, but you'd have to sign up for the radio sites service. Money well spent IMO anyway.


http://www.coasttocoastam.com/guests/3.html

his site:

http://www.mkaku.org/

[Eomer]

hah, as soon as I read the name I pictured the dude in my head. He's in like every astronomy documentary/special ever made. I didn't know his name, but I knew immediately who you are talking to. He's always got lots of interesting shit to say, that's for sure.

[Zinke]

Originally posted by Belefuu
I've always wondered about that Jimmee. I always thought of the universe as infinitely large, which is a staggering idea. It gives rise to such theories as, if the universe goes on forever, wouldn't every possibility eventually come to fruition? In other words, since there is no limit, if you searched far enough, you would eventually find an exact replica of the Star Wars universe... or any far fetched universe you can imagine. Taking into account such things as multiple Big Bang universes, all with different physical laws makes it even more mind boggling.

That 's kind of what the Omega Point theory is about.


Think of it like this, every entity in the universe, living or not, is doing and learning something, and trying to better itself. Atoms combine into molecules, molecules eventually for cells, cells form organs etc etc.. If life began as single celled organisms, and now we as humans are made up of trillions of those, who's to say one day all humans won't be like cells in a larger being.
At that point, and when the universe is approaching that Omega Point, the theory goes that the 'beings' that exist at that time will have unbelievable control over time and space, to the point that they can start resurrecting/recreating/reproducing all things that have happened before. All things that can be, will, and all things that have been, will be again. That's the Omega Point, or God.

So, yea, technically speaking if the universe is expanding infinitely, all possible scenarios will exist at some point in time. The cool thing about that, is science-fiction is not fiction, given a long enough time frame. A gun the size of your fist that can destroy a planet? Absolutely.

[Templor]

Originally posted by Zinke
That 's kind of what the Omega Point theory is about.


Think of it like this, every entity in the universe, living or not, is doing and learning something, and trying to better itself. Atoms combine into molecules, molecules eventually for cells, cells form organs etc etc.. If life began as single celled organisms, and now we as humans are made up of trillions of those, who's to say one day all humans won't be like cells in a larger being.
At that point, and when the universe is approaching that Omega Point, the theory goes that the 'beings' that exist at that time will have unbelievable control over time and space, to the point that they can start resurrecting/recreating/reproducing all things that have happened before. All things that can be, will, and all things that have been, will be again. That's the Omega Point, or God.

So, yea, technically speaking if the universe is expanding infinitely, all possible scenarios will exist at some point in time. The cool thing about that, is science-fiction is not fiction, given a long enough time frame. A gun the size of your fist that can destroy a planet? Absolutely.

That's pretty fucking cool.

[Dexz]

Originally posted by Zinke
That 's kind of what the Omega Point theory is about.


Think of it like this, every entity in the universe, living or not, is doing and learning something, and trying to better itself. Atoms combine into molecules, molecules eventually for cells, cells form organs etc etc.. If life began as single celled organisms, and now we as humans are made up of trillions of those, who's to say one day all humans won't be like cells in a larger being.
At that point, and when the universe is approaching that Omega Point, the theory goes that the 'beings' that exist at that time will have unbelievable control over time and space, to the point that they can start resurrecting/recreating/reproducing all things that have happened before. All things that can be, will, and all things that have been, will be again. That's the Omega Point, or God.

So, yea, technically speaking if the universe is expanding infinitely, all possible scenarios will exist at some point in time. The cool thing about that, is science-fiction is not fiction, given a long enough time frame. A gun the size of your fist that can destroy a planet? Absolutely.

Wrong, Wrong and wrong..

Comparing metals to living organism is , well there is Zero basis for comparison in your context.

[Zinke]

Originally posted by Dexz
Wrong, Wrong and wrong..

Comparing metals to living organism is , well there is Zero basis for comparison in your context.

Excuse me? I did not compare a metal to a living organism. I said all things in the universe are doing something. A non-living entity is doing something, just by existing. A piece of iron still represents information. That iron had to be formed somehow, and the pattern of it's atoms, had we the technology to map them all, could tell us tons of things about it's past. That metal can be used by other entities to help discern information about things. It still represents a piece of our universe.

Information is being processed by that piece of metal, because overtime it is losing it's atoms (rust, decay etc). It's not a completely static object when you look at it on a base level dealing with electrons/protons/neutrons and such. It's a highly volatile substance when you get to that point. It only appears to be an inanimate object from the POV of human beings and our naked eye. It's not 'living' by any means, but it's still processing information and representing existing information.

[Dexz]

In the context the terms were used, you were making a direct corralation to how living beings evolve and tieing that into metals and other non living beings.

Matter as we know is, ie metals , all degrade over time. So that .38 special will never evolve into a Deathstar. This in fact is the reason evolution is so slow, its in constant battle with the forces around it that take higher presedence and occur at a much higher rate.

[ChewieTobbacca]

I actually believe with Vekruul I think who thought that death was just like that dreamless state of sleep - you don't realize what happened.

Think about it - ever had a night where you don't dream / can't remember any dreams? You just suddenly wake up 8 hours or whatever later with a totally clear mind. Time didn't exist then - you didn't exist. Thats what I believe death is like - just like before birth - you don't exist, you don't see time, because you just aren't there.

The Omega Point theory actually correlates with some Mayan predictions on their important date, December 21, 2012, when the world is supposedly end or supposedly change. Some scholars believe that date is when we are enlightened to a point where all knowledge is gained and we literally become godly creatures.

One theory is that time travel comes into existence then - and when we learn time travel, all things in the past will be changed and the future will be different, we will literally reach that point of infinite technological advance. Think about it - you change the past, advance humanity 300 years - then 300 years earlier, when time travel is found, they advance it another bit, and so on til technological advance is at its infinite point and we can literally be god.

I don't actually totally believe that but I think its possible.

BTW check out http://www.xs4all.nl/~mke/exitmundi.htm which is Exit Mundi, a site with a ton of situations for the end of the world. Very very cool (and sometimes) creepy stuff. Check out the article on Planet X which talks about the Sumerian tradition.

The tablet shows 11 planets - we all know of the 9 that common knowledge knows - Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto. The 10th? They can possibly mean the Moon or the recently discovered mini-playet Quoaro. Though the site more or less discredits the idea of Planet X, it does back up Kolle's statements on the Sumerian legends of aliens and the planets.

The fact that they said there were so many planets when we hadn't discovered Pluto until 80 years ago is something to think about...

Indeed the fact that paintings on walls, in art, and references to objects in the sky in all sorts of sources from the Bible to literature shows that perhaps there are alien influences.

Actually that reminds me of the story of Starcraft where the Xel'Naga create the Protoss and then the Zerg but eventually are consumed by their own creations.

The talk of the universe expanding and the questions of what is beyond is indeed a good thing to talk about. With more advanced technology, we have long passed what we once thought were the boundaries of our universe. We pointed the Hubble telescope at waht was thought empty space and all that it revealed were billions more universes.

Indeed that might bring creedence to the idea there may be infinite possibilities in the universe.

But it can also show that the idea nothing existed before the Big Bang is true. Time may not have to be constant and linear - nothing existed before the Big Bang because time didn't exist. Physics as we know it doesn't apply there.

If anyone has the chart Im talking about, it might help but essentially, classical physics such as Newton only works in the world of our scale. Really small things such as atoms and subatomic particles use quantum theory for example. Really large or really fast things may use relativity for example.

It just shows that things might need time to be developed and investigated to understand more and more of the universe.

And to the one who said that religion and theory of big bang are similar - well you are wrong. There is no evidence that God exists - that is where faith comes in. There is no evidence that the Big Bang theory happened as thought - but there is evidence that suggests such an occassion might have occured. Tons of that evidence.

I suppose thats what separates religion and science - one is an absolute based on faith, the other changes and evolves over time with evidence.

[Kolle]

As for belief, I might be the only one here that believes in reincarnation, but then again maybe not.

When considering what happens after a person dies, this is the one thing that i've found the most evidence to support. From everything I've read and heard thusfar, this is what I believe may happen:

When you die there's a short period of time where you have an option. You can stay or go. For at least a few days your spirit will have access to a white light that you can cross over through. During that time you can do basically whatever you want. Travel or even your appearance is something you can change at will. If you want to be in Georgia to visit your sister, then you'll be there.

Most do cross over, but there are those who don't. The light goes away, but I believe there are ways for it to come back, especially with the help of people who are attuned to this kinda thing.


Anyway, once you cross over...you're 'home'. This is a place that is more pleasant than the world, I suppose. You can communicate with and 'see' other souls who are there. This is where you choose what your next life is going to be and which souls you want to go back with.

I believe everyone travels in a group or at least as a couple. That is, your mother in this life could have been your cousin a few lifetimes ago. Your wife could have been your brother a thousand years ago. These familiar souls tend to stick together in one way or another. Maybe not for your entire life, but at least an important portion of it.

This is where you get into things like soulmates. It may sound lame or silly, but that's just because so many bastards in the modern US culture exploit everything and anything to make a buck. If you're with that person now, then you know. You meet someone and everything just clicks. You feel like you've known them a long time and it's a lot more than simple love. This is the kind of person you die for and spend the rest of your life with without a second thought.

I personally believe in this because of the girl I'm with. She's not my type, at all. If she were a stranger, I wouldn't ask her on a date or anything. We don't look like a couple. It's not a person I ever expected to be with. Even though, there's just something there. I've been with her for years now and we've never had a single arguement. Not even a small one. We get along so well it's almost impossible to believe. We are a perfect fit, despite her being miles away from anyone I'd normally be with.

This could be because we are soulmates, but it could also be that we've spent lifetimes together before and just know each other very well.


So I got off track there. When you're 'home' you can decide where you want to go in your next life. This is because your spirit is trying to better itself. It comes back to learn certain lessons. As it learns more and more, it evolves. Eventually you reach the point where you no longer reincarnate, but spend your time 'there' doing I don't know what, or helping others. I don't think this is a short deal. That kinda thing takes a long, long, long time.


That's the jist of it, but I did mention at the top something about evidence. Part of that evidence is something you can find out for yourselves. Things like children or past life regression therapy. There are countless cases of young children being able to remember their previous life. Perhaps there's a glitch somewhere and before they get too old they still have a memory of things. Amazing stories where children drag their parents to another country to see where they used to live and people they knew. Reciting extreme technical jargon about a previous job or hobby. Something so far beyond what they had access to at home that there's no way they should have known.

Regression therapy is also gaining a lot of support. More and more people are trying it and getting results. I doubt anyone would believe this very much until they did it themselves. So feel free to research it and give it a try.

Believe it or not, there's also people who do have talents beyond the normal. People that can communicate with spirits and even see them. This is something most will write off as bullshit and never take seriously. It is a real thing. Our science just hasn't caught up yet and probably won't in our lifetimes.



I also have proof from a more personal place. I've had daydreams where I felt like i was remembering something I had forgotten. This is what caused me to take this subject seriously several years ago.

I've had memories of a couple different lives. One feels like it's not even on Earth. It's so confusing and nothing is remotely familiar from my present life's point of view, that I don't know what to make of it. But it's like getting a memory back. You know, when you touch something or smell something and all of a sudden you remember something from years ago that had slipped your mind for so long.

One of the more disturbing times was my life as this particular guy. It bothered me when I had it and it can bother me even today. I'm in a very nice house standing on a 2nd floor landing. I can see the living room, kitchen, and all that from there. The house has a lot of windows and there are tons of trees outside. It's dusk, I think. I'm wearing a white sweater and brown pants. I'm holding an alcoholic drink of some kind (I don't drink alcohol). I walk down the steps to the first floor and there's this dark haired women. She's extremely beautiful. She stabs me in the gut with a broken piece of glass. I'm lying on the floor bleeding to death and she's over my body crying. She's sorry for killing me and I even told her it was ok.

Doesn't make much practical sense. You'd think I'd be pissed. But I swear it's like a memory that came back to me. Rembering dying was very disturbing and it still bothers me. Bothers me enough that I take this kinda thing seriously.



But, for those who do think this is pure shit, there is research and reading you can do on the subject. You'll find that it's incredibly fascinating and worth the time to check out.



I talk to people about reincarnation and I get a lot of the same question, so I can go ahead and answers those:


Q: There's more people on Earth than ever before (at least that's the popular belief), where are all the souls coming from if they're reincarnating?

A: This is something of a two-part answer. #1 First off, Earth isn't the only place in the universe with life. There are intelligent beings out there that are more advanced and less advanced than us technologically. One of the more amusing quotes from a past life regression is from a lawyer who was asked this question, his reply was, "It's so like humans to think you're the only ones." We all have souls that all return to the same place before coming back. #2 would be that new souls do come into existence, but perhaps not in the way it may seem. One of the more interesting things I've read and heard is that our souls may choose to be 'lower life forms' like animals before they step up to things like humans (no i'm not a peta freak, I eat meat myself). They just aren't very evolved. Before that, well, I haven't seen any good theories or evidence on that.


Q: If i've had so many lives, why can't I remember them clearly?

A: Again, I believe there are 2 answers to this. #1 Can you remember being a child? The days when you first went to school and started to learn. Your mind is a sponge, a clean slate just waiting to absorb all sorts of information. Consider how easy it is for children to learn a 2nd language in school than it is for an adult to try and pick it up. Just imagine having to go back to 1st grade as a child having all the memories of your adult life. Wouldn't be easy. I believe in order to learn the lessons you need to learn with each life, you need a clean slate as if you were a child. At least, i think that's why it's so hard to recall anything from a past life without help. #2 It could simply be this or both #1 and this. But as I stated above, I think I remembered dying from a past life. It was very disturbing and I only remembered a short portion of it. Just imagine if you had all the memories of a 1000 lives living and dying. Some men, some women, some deaths painful, some deaths peaceful, dying so many times...experiencing so much...It could very well be far more than the human brain or emotions could handle. It would possibly drive you completely insane. Not being able to remember could be a saftey mechanism.



This is something I believe even religions have known about. I also believe it was something Jesus taught. When the bible was put together, many years after the death of Jesus, the religious leaders (essentially politicians) decided what would go in the book and what wouldn't. We all know how men of power are, especially religious ones.

Having something like the fear of hell is necessary to keep religions like christianity going. Without it, almost no one would follow the rules and most importantly would stop giving money and authority over their lives to religious leaders.

We all know that a large chunk of Jesus life is missing. Age 12-30 are completely absent. It's very likely that during this time Jesus visited other areas of the continent and learned about different things, including reincarnation and karma. He very well could have included this in his teachings, but we'll never know for sure. You can't be certain that what you read in the bible is even 100% accurate. It's been changed over the past 1500 years.



I believe that within the Vatican and people like the Pope do have acess to this knowledge. But, they guard those secrets well. Just think of all the money and power they have. Even tho christianity is fading off a little, they are still rich and powerful because of it. If you take away the fear of damnation, then...


But, there are things like karma. Your spirit knows what's going on and will suffer for it later on should you be naughty. No one gets away with anything. Even people like Hitler.


I know most of you will think I'm stupid or a lunatic, but that's ok. Feel free to research the subject and see for yourself. If anyone wants to talk about it more i'd be glad to.

[Dexz]

I actaully enjoyed that post...