Webpage design and everthing else. - Page 2

Warrik · 11-06-2007, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Kuriin

Javascript, C/C++, Computer Graphics (a given), XHTML, and CSS. Dunno if I'm missing anything.

Oh, and knowledge of knowing how to use flash is a smart idea. :P

If I were to chose between Flash and AJAX, I would focus on AJAX. Flash seems to be a transition state atm and a good portion of the industry seems to look at Flash kind of how Javascript used to be looked at whereas everyone wants AJAX.

Also, VB Script for server side and Javascript for client side would be my primary focus. I wouldnt even bother with C/C++ unless programming was an absolute passion.

Hachima · 11-06-2007, 03:22 PM

VB Script? =(
I'd recommend C#, and if you really want to be on top of things use LINQ with .net 3.5/C# 3.0(It's still beta but its pretty solid now)

Usha Starchild · 11-06-2007, 08:09 PM

I need to go buy 2 or 3 new computers. Any suggestions on what kind of specs I should buy for web development PC's?

Hachima · 11-06-2007, 08:40 PM

24" screen and a second monitor(19" is what I use). Its nice to develop stuff on a big screen since the actual page you are developing+IDE take up a lot of space. Then a second monitor for other stuff you are working on/viewing the actual pages in a browser etc. 2gig ram and a basic video card that supports dual outputs.

PigBenis · 11-06-2007, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Hachima

VB Script? =(
I'd recommend C#, and if you really want to be on top of things use LINQ with .net 3.5/C# 3.0(It's still beta but its pretty solid now)

Seconded, LINQ is awesome.

slitz · 11-06-2007, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Hachima

VB Script? =(
I'd recommend C#, and if you really want to be on top of things use LINQ with .net 3.5/C# 3.0(It's still beta but its pretty solid now)

Should mention that C# is Windows only though, which might not be appealing solution for a middleware server. Java (not Javascript, they are completely different) pretty much own the middleware market and for a good reason. There is absolutely no reason at all why one shouldn't use it for middleware*, though then again I'm biased.

*in short, the mechanism between your client (web page) and your server (in most cases databases)

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24" screen and a second monitor(19" is what I use). Its nice to develop stuff on a big screen since the actual page you are developing+IDE take up a lot of space. Then a second monitor for other stuff you are working on/viewing the actual pages in a browser etc. 2gig ram and a basic video card that supports dual outputs.

Agreed, nothing beats two "big" monitors with your IDE on one and API / design / whatever on the other.

Usha Starchild · 11-07-2007, 12:42 AM

I think I will probbaly go the 22" x 2 route. The Price dif between 22" and 24" is quite large.

Think a 22" will do?

slitz · 11-07-2007, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Usha Starchild

I think I will probbaly go the 22" x 2 route. The Price dif between 22" and 24" is quite large.

Think a 22" will do?

It really depends on what you're used to and really depends on what IDE you're using... For me 22" is doing just fine and Im running netbeans with 2-3 classes visible and project tree etc. The second monitor is a must have though.
If you're used to 24", 22" won't do, as 20" won't do if you're used to 22" etc... 20" would probably be the minimum for a good development environment however, so if you're buying a rig to start coding, 2x22" will probably be more than enough.

If possible, I would go 24" & 20" though... The main monitor is the most important one since you have the IDE here and that's what takes a lot of space, while the 20" will most likely only show a webpage / design pdf or whatever anyway and most of this stuff isn't in need of a 22". So my suggestion would be 24" & 20" if it isn't much more expensive than the 22*2 setup.

Usha Starchild · 11-07-2007, 06:22 PM

Can anyone put together a list of software they use for development?

Also is it good to buy a server or lease one?

Hachima · 11-07-2007, 07:18 PM

For Java in a Windows envornment:

Netbeans or Eclipse for a Java IDE. Both are popular and have their strengths. You will find people religiously debating over either one.

Tortoise SVN for version control (allows multiple people to work on the same project easier, its kind of like file sharing) tortoisesvn.tigris.org

Welcome to Jama Software is nice for managing requirement docs/use cases in a central, online location. Jama - Requirements Redefined has a free demo. Not sure if you could just use the demo or need this. You could do it all in word. This aspect of a project can make or break its success though.

Those are the main things I can think of for now.

If you are going the .Net route you can use the Express versions of Visual Studio for free. Not sure what their limits are.

Same deal with tortoise and jama for source control/documentation as far as software goes.

I would say pay for hosting somewhere and let someone else worry about that aspect.

The other thing to consider is the people are familiar with that are working on the project.

Edit: Workspaces for agile teams and rapid application development | Assembla for free SVN hosting.

Zeste · 11-07-2007, 07:26 PM

I'm gonna catch shit for this... but I'd recommend getting at least 1 iMac. There are alot of programs that are mac only that have just been great for the multimedia and design aspect of web development.

If you're going to have a graphics/flash station, that's what I'd recommend.

PigBenis · 11-07-2007, 07:51 PM

I would also advise some kind of issue tracking system. It's a good way to track bugs and assign them to users. It's a must. Main Page - Eventum

Laladilya · 11-07-2007, 08:48 PM

I mainly do the front-end stuff at work. Graphics/Flash/HTML... only code stuff I'm fluent at all with is Actionscript/Javascript (which is like the same thing almost) and I know a little php and ColdFusion.

To the actual programmer people in this thread. What does something like Java/.Net/etc do for web development stuff? We generally use ColdFusion or PHP with SQL and to my knowledge we've never had a project that we couldn't manage something just fine with those. Like the WOW site posted earlier I don't see any reason we couldn't build that using PHP/SQL unless I missed something. I never understood how they [Java/.net/etc] correlate to website development? I mainly stick to the visual side of developing, actually don't like programming at all, but I'm still curious as to what people are using them for.

Hachima · 11-07-2007, 09:21 PM

.Net/Java would take the same role your PHP does.

There is a lot more code snippets for PHP out there. So a lot of the times its just a matter of cut and paste.

Java/.Net have some good testing platforms like JUnit/NUnit. They are both OO where PHP isn't pure OO. .Net and Java have built in memory management.

My Tech Rantings: PHP vs JSP has a more detailed comparison that favors PHP. There are probably plenty of comparison arguments out there for advantages/disadvantages.

Laladilya · 11-07-2007, 11:31 PM

Ah thanks. Its basically just a preference thing then eh. I'll just stick to what I know then unless theres really a good reason to jump to something like Java.

On a sidenote, I've been messing with Adobe Air beta - it's actually looking to be pretty good, though the documentation kinda sucks still. Followed a tutorial and made me a drag and drop FLV player over the weekend. ^_^

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Hachima Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,654	For Java in a Windows envornment: Netbeans or Eclipse for a Java IDE. Both are popular and have their strengths. You will find people religiously debating over either one. Tortoise SVN for version control (allows multiple people to work on the same project easier, its kind of like file sharing) tortoisesvn.tigris.org Welcome to Jama Software is nice for managing requirement docs/use cases in a central, online location. Jama - Requirements Redefined has a free demo. Not sure if you could just use the demo or need this. You could do it all in word. This aspect of a project can make or break its success though. Those are the main things I can think of for now. If you are going the .Net route you can use the Express versions of Visual Studio for free. Not sure what their limits are. Same deal with tortoise and jama for source control/documentation as far as software goes. I would say pay for hosting somewhere and let someone else worry about that aspect. The other thing to consider is the people are familiar with that are working on the project. Edit: Workspaces for agile teams and rapid application development \| Assembla for free SVN hosting. Last edited by Hachima : 11-07-2007 at 07:35 PM.

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11-06-2007, 03:22 PM	#17 (permalink)
Hachima Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,654	VB Script? =( I'd recommend C#, and if you really want to be on top of things use LINQ with .net 3.5/C# 3.0(It's still beta but its pretty solid now)

11-06-2007, 08:09 PM	#18 (permalink)
Usha Starchild Whatever I touch turns to Rickshaw. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 949 -3 Internets	I need to go buy 2 or 3 new computers. Any suggestions on what kind of specs I should buy for web development PC's?

11-06-2007, 08:40 PM	#19 (permalink)
Hachima Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,654	24" screen and a second monitor(19" is what I use). Its nice to develop stuff on a big screen since the actual page you are developing+IDE take up a lot of space. Then a second monitor for other stuff you are working on/viewing the actual pages in a browser etc. 2gig ram and a basic video card that supports dual outputs.

11-07-2007, 12:42 AM	#22 (permalink)
Usha Starchild Whatever I touch turns to Rickshaw. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 949 -3 Internets	I think I will probbaly go the 22" x 2 route. The Price dif between 22" and 24" is quite large. Think a 22" will do?

11-07-2007, 06:22 PM	#24 (permalink)
Usha Starchild Whatever I touch turns to Rickshaw. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 949 -3 Internets	Can anyone put together a list of software they use for development? Also is it good to buy a server or lease one?

11-07-2007, 07:51 PM	#27 (permalink)
PigBenis duh Join Date: May 2002 Location: Boiler Up Posts: 567 -22 Internets	I would also advise some kind of issue tracking system. It's a good way to track bugs and assign them to users. It's a must. Main Page - Eventum

11-07-2007, 08:48 PM	#28 (permalink)
Laladilya Dead Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Salina, KS Posts: 166 +12 Internets	I mainly do the front-end stuff at work. Graphics/Flash/HTML... only code stuff I'm fluent at all with is Actionscript/Javascript (which is like the same thing almost) and I know a little php and ColdFusion. To the actual programmer people in this thread. What does something like Java/.Net/etc do for web development stuff? We generally use ColdFusion or PHP with SQL and to my knowledge we've never had a project that we couldn't manage something just fine with those. Like the WOW site posted earlier I don't see any reason we couldn't build that using PHP/SQL unless I missed something. I never understood how they [Java/.net/etc] correlate to website development? I mainly stick to the visual side of developing, actually don't like programming at all, but I'm still curious as to what people are using them for.

11-07-2007, 09:21 PM	#29 (permalink)
Hachima Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,654	.Net/Java would take the same role your PHP does. There is a lot more code snippets for PHP out there. So a lot of the times its just a matter of cut and paste. Java/.Net have some good testing platforms like JUnit/NUnit. They are both OO where PHP isn't pure OO. .Net and Java have built in memory management. My Tech Rantings: PHP vs JSP has a more detailed comparison that favors PHP. There are probably plenty of comparison arguments out there for advantages/disadvantages.

11-07-2007, 11:31 PM	#30 (permalink)
Laladilya Dead Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Salina, KS Posts: 166 +12 Internets	Ah thanks. Its basically just a preference thing then eh. I'll just stick to what I know then unless theres really a good reason to jump to something like Java. On a sidenote, I've been messing with Adobe Air beta - it's actually looking to be pretty good, though the documentation kinda sucks still. Followed a tutorial and made me a drag and drop FLV player over the weekend. ^_^