Science and Drugs forum

[Eomer]

Originally Posted by Millie

I'm extremely nervous about trying LSD, mainly because of all the horror stories I've heard about how it can draw out latent psychological problems. There is a mild history of bipolar disorder on the maternal side of my family, and while no one in my generation has shown any symptoms yet, I don't want to push anything over the edge.

Acid isn't really all that different from shrooms, in my opinion. Obviously it's much stronger, but if you sat down and ate half an ounce of shrooms you'd get fairly similar affects. I'm sure there's posters on Erowid who can highlight the exact differences between them, but they're close enough for government work.

And jesus, now that I think about it, it's been almost 15 years since I last did LSD.

WTB tabs!

[Azrayne]

Originally Posted by Millie

I'm extremely nervous about trying LSD, mainly because of all the horror stories I've heard about how it can draw out latent psychological problems. There is a mild history of bipolar disorder on the maternal side of my family, and while no one in my generation has shown any symptoms yet, I don't want to push anything over the edge.

Honestly, it's not as hard to hold yourself together on an acid trip as people make it sound. You could write a book about my latent (and not so latent) psychological problems, and probably have enough left over for a sequal, and I was relatively fine through my 4 acid experiences, though it will probably be a bit of a learning experience for you.

[Eomer]

Biggest problem with LSD is dosing. It's almost impossible to know what you're going to experience when you pop a tab. Although actually the only time I've been too blasted on a hallucinogen was with mushrooms. I was houseboating and a guy who came along had these little chocolates shaped like turtles, all wrapped up in foil. I asked him what he figured each was in terms of grams, and he figured maybe two each. I've always had a fairly high tolerance to shrooms, so I ate two and happily waited for the fun times to start. Within like 30 minutes I knew I was about to be hit by a goddamn freight train.

Long story short, about an hour after eating them I had retreated to my bunk because I was so messed up, and being on a rocky, sloped beach with 1000+ drunks on it (70% aggressive asshole dudes trying to talk their way on to your boat because you didn't come with 15 of your buddies and they want to take your women) is just not a cool experience on shrooms. At least for me. I don't really even remember very much for the hour or two I was curled up in a fetal position in my bunk. I put on some music and just kind of drifted off into my mind for awhile. It wasn't really unpleasant, but you know that restless, I can't get comfy feeling you sometimes get? I had that pretty bad.

So after an hour or two I had my shit together enough to emerge from my cocoon. I walk off the front of my boat to the fire we have going, and notice my friend is eating one of the chocolates. I know he doesn't have nearly the tolerance for mushrooms that I have from past experience, and the conversation went like this:

"Giggs, how many of those have you ate?"

"This is my third."

"Go fucking puke, right now."

"Why?"

"You are about to have a very unpleasant 4 hours. Seriously, go puke right the hell now."

Being a stubborn jackass, he refused. Within 30 minutes he was curled up in his bunk, moaning, giggling, talking to himself, and completely unresponsive to outside stimuli. He remained that way for close to 3 hours, we were actually getting concerned. The giggling and talking was creeping as all fucking hell. Eventually he came out of it and was no worse for wear, but he was seriously, seriously messed up from the chocolate.

To this day I don't know what the hell was up with those chocolates. They weren't very big, I don't know how you could have crammed more than a gram or two in each. You didn't even see much plant material, really. I just know that I had numerous times in the past eaten anywhere from a quarter to half ounce of shrooms and been fine, but those things sent me into another fucking dimension.

Also, is there any truth to the claims that chocolate somehow enhances the high from shrooms? I've heard it quite a bit.

[brekk]

Chocolate, Cranberry Juice, Grapefruit Juice all supposedly have some effect on eating shrooms.

[Millie]

LOL @ Eomer's story. I wish I had more exciting drug-related stories to tell. Sadly, most of them consist of:

Millie: *lying on couch, giggling uncontrollably*

Friend: What the fuck? Get it together, you retard.

Millie: *lying on couch, giggling uncontrollably*

Friend: Jesus Christ, this is why I never smoke up with you.

Millie: *lying on couch, giggling uncontrollably, maybe throws a pillow or something at the friend*

Friend: Fucking hell.

It's very weird. Most drugs don't touch me at all, but strong weed sends me into a childlike, borderline retarded state.

[Hatorade]

Dammit well thought out and adult conversations about drugs actually has me wanting to try some. The strongest drug I have ever done is Nyquil. No weed or anything. I don't even know where I could acquire such things anyhow. Any recommendations on what should be my first experiance? I am a non smoker if that matters.

[Salshun]

Originally Posted by Hatorade

Dammit well thought out and adult conversations about drugs actually has me wanting to try some. The strongest drug I have ever done is Nyquil. No weed or anything. I don't even know where I could acquire such things anyhow. Any recommendations on what should be my first experiance? I am a non smoker if that matters.

Trust me, everyone knows someone if you live in a decent sized city. It's just a matter of finding someone. Then, you have to find what you like. I'm personally a CNS stimulant fan (coke, adderall) and of course the oxy.

Their is a website online, a forum, called "The Marketplace". I have never seen a website with so much encryption it'll make you cry. Buddy just got 1.75 grams of world class coke; the forum thread was "1.75 grams of coke, place orders here."

It's amazing that this place exists.

[Meh]

Originally Posted by Hatorade

Dammit well thought out and adult conversations about drugs actually has me wanting to try some. The strongest drug I have ever done is Nyquil. No weed or anything. I don't even know where I could acquire such things anyhow. Any recommendations on what should be my first experiance? I am a non smoker if that matters.

I wouldn't call all these conversations "well thought out and adult".

To all the people that say they have psych problems and still did LSD with no effects sorry your wrong and its incredibly irresponsible tell people that. The LSD could have helped your Psych problems or not effected them at all however there are numerous reports of psych problems being triggered by shrooms and lsd.

Now to answer your question go smoke some weed, if you go to school or work there is someone in your class/office that can acquire some for you. If your looking for more do 2grams to an eighth of shrooms and make sure your in a very safe and comfortable environment.

Stay the fuck away from coke, lsd, and herion. Try X if you want but if you start popping it like candy you have a huge problem.

To the people talking about coke like its just another drug have fun with your future heart and anxiety problems along with a deviated septum.

[Salshun]

Originally Posted by Meh

I wouldn't call all these conversations "well thought out and adult".

To all the people that say they have psych problems and still did LSD with no effects sorry your wrong and its incredibly irresponsible tell people that. The LSD could have helped your Psych problems or not effected them at all however there are numerous reports of psych problems being triggered by shrooms and lsd.

Now to answer your question go smoke some weed, if you go to school or work there is someone in your class/office that can acquire some for you. If your looking for more do 2grams to an eighth of shrooms and make sure your in a very safe and comfortable environment.

Stay the fuck away from coke, lsd, and herion. Try X if you want but if you start popping it like candy you have a huge problem.

To the people talking about coke like its just another drug have fun with your future heart and anxiety problems along with a deviated septum.

All things in moderation. Never done LSD or Heroin but I love coke. I only do it about once every 6 months so that it is kept safe and in moderation. Don't let your school's DARE program brainwash you so much. Not all drug users are sitting in crack houses selling their kids for a hit. A lot them, like me, have jobs, own houses and cars, pay all their bills, work out, etc. I've never sold my stuff at a pawn shop for drugs, missed work because of them or neglected my kids. I've never OD'd.

Their is a difference between a drug addict and a drug user, and even drug addict's don't always have a problem. I know a guy that had a horrible car accident and pops pill like candy. Yes, he's a drug addict, but he pays his bills, goes to work, cooks his own meals, etc.

Don't lump all users into some "desperate junky" category.

[Vatoreus]

Originally Posted by Millie

LOL @ Eomer's story. I wish I had more exciting drug-related stories to tell. Sadly, most of them consist of:

Millie: *lying on couch, giggling uncontrollably*

Friend: What the fuck? Get it together, you retard.

Millie: *lying on couch, giggling uncontrollably*

Friend: Jesus Christ, this is why I never smoke up with you.

Millie: *lying on couch, giggling uncontrollably, maybe throws a pillow or something at the friend*

Friend: Fucking hell.

It's very weird. Most drugs don't touch me at all, but strong weed sends me into a childlike, borderline retarded state.

it does the same damn shit to me, but i find it awesome.

[Eomer]

Hatorade, if I were you I would only consider trying the following:

Pot - self explanatory, this shit is safer than alcohol and many over the counter drugs
Shrooms - watch dosage, but again otherwise it's extremely benign if from a reputable source (some mushrooms can kill you, obviously, don't go into the forrest and pick your own unless you know what the fuck you are doing). They can be hard to come by, I find.

I would stay away from most other drugs, if I were you. LSD and ecstasy if only because it's risky doing something some biker cooked up in a bathtub, and often you're NOT getting what you're supposed to be. There can quite possibly be other shit in there that you don't know about.

Coke/heroin/DXM etc are all very addictive. Some people can control themselves, some can't. Coke is a very shallow drug, you won't feel anything profound, it doesn't really change your thought processes, any of that stuff. It just makes you feel kind of hyper and really good, but it's a short high and afterwards you feel like shit and your sinuses are fucked right up. I won't turn coke down, but I certainly don't go looking for it. I haven't tried opiates, so I can't really comment outside of medicinal use of morphine (it felt fantastic) but again why risk so many problems.

Stick to pot and mushrooms. If you want to get more adventuresome, then there's salvia as well. Do some research before trying that shit, though. Again, LSD and X can be very enjoyable, but they can also be risky. That said, I don't regret having done acid numerous times in my early teens. But some people do get long lasting effects from it.

[Millie]

OMG, medicinal morphine is the best thing ever. Seriously. I've never felt so good in my life as when I've been on morphine at the hospital.

I totally understand how people become addicted to opiates, and outside of necessary medical treatment, I will never touch them. Way too dangerous.

[Azrayne]

I think you kind of overstate the risk with LSD/MDMA. I've never heard of a 'bad' LSD tab, and of the 30 - 50 (rough, rough estimate, I'm too tired to try to count)ish pills I've taken over my 18 months or so of MDMA use, I'd say:

2 which contained no MDMA what so ever (minor dose of ketamine, would barely even be active orally, if at all)

Of the rest, probably 60% contained pure MDMA of varying doseage, and 40% contained an MDMA/speed combination, again of varying doseage.

Other than the two pills above, I've never had a pill that had any other drug in noticeable levels within it.

Of course the pill market might be different where you are, and I'm told it's harder to get quality pills in the US (and easier in Europe), but it's not the massive gamble people sometimes paint it as.

Failing that, you could always try obtain crystalized MDMA, but if you don't have some decent drug connections anyway that's probably not incredibly likely.

I'm not saying there aren't bad pills out there, there are, everybody hears the stories. But not taking ecstasy because you're worried you'll land that one in a million PMA pill and go to hospital is like refusing to drive because you could get into a crash. Used safely and (and this is the important part) in moderation, you're usually fairly safe taking pills.

[Salshun]

I don't think it's even possible to OD with LSD. You may have the worse trip ever, but if you can get somewhere safe and just ride it out you'll be ok.

[Korbal]

Originally Posted by Millie

LOL @ Eomer's story. I wish I had more exciting drug-related stories to tell. Sadly, most of them consist of:

Millie: *lying on couch, giggling uncontrollably*

Friend: What the fuck? Get it together, you retard.

Millie: *lying on couch, giggling uncontrollably*

Friend: Jesus Christ, this is why I never smoke up with you.

Millie: *lying on couch, giggling uncontrollably, maybe throws a pillow or something at the friend*

Friend: Fucking hell.

It's very weird. Most drugs don't touch me at all, but strong weed sends me into a childlike, borderline retarded state.

You know what? I used to have the same problem. All my friends loved weed, but when I'd smoke I'd get to the point where I could barely move or function and get incredibly paranoid. The solution to this problem as well as a plethora of other problems life throws at you is actually quite simple.

Smoke more weed.

You'll get used to it and be able to control it more as well as enjoy the effects more. I'll also recommend smoking a smaller quantity each time and perhaps just smoke by yourself a few times if anxiety/introversion on weed is a problem. At least until the effects become "natural" or comfortable.