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[tikkus]

Originally Posted by brekk

Ive done so many C++ programming assignments stoned, from beginning to end. Oddly enough I make less stupid syntax errors if I code while stoned.

On one of the programs the prof ever said that he thought I had a very unique, uncommon approach to solving the problem.

I've done the same thing. Programming + weed is amazing.

[Smithiy]

Originally Posted by GaliemVaelant

Once, I was stoned and doing science... I failed. Not the class, but that effort in particular. Quantum Mechanics can not be done while smoking weed. If anyone here can prove me wrong, then behold the new messiah of physics.

I was stoned pretty much everytime I went to Pre-Calc in high school. I failed that class hardcore.

On another note, the only drugs really worth doing is pot, MDMA, and acid. All other shit like coke, meth, heroin and pills aren't worth it.

[woot!]

Here is a question that, imho, fits right in this thread, since the said question occured to me while I was high, and is science related (well, more like science fiction in fact).

IF the large hadron collider was ever able to summon a small, but stable enough blackhole so that it starts absorbing matter around it and grow (it won't be the case with the version that will be activated next year, but lets imagine some massive upgrade done to it in a couple dozen years) ; how fast would it evolve ? Would it be like instantaneous ? Or would we realize something very wrong is going on and see things collapse towards it ? (as if it was absobring faster as the blackhole grows bigger ?)
Would our perception of time be altered ? (well for that last point I guess we might be dead before beeing able to figure this out ?)

[Hooby]

These things are not to be taken as party drugs, and their abuse in this manner can quickly destroy any hope of enlightenment one can achieve with their use.

Ehh.. I enjoy both a good tripped out concert / party or introspective alone time. Then again I am one of the people who is more into the music / dancing of a party rather than trying to hook up with fucked up chicks.

As for the topic. Science and drugs are both very interesting. I will be starting chemistry next term, looking forward to that.

To Millie: You are probably lucky the coke didn't work, while coke/meth etcetera can be very satisfying, they are pretty much the opposite of fulfilling.

... it's 4:30 am.

[tehpmd]

Well, on the subject of Coke... That shit can break apart even the strongest of friendships =(

I still have this saved on my computer and the people involved (Save me and the one person I was able to get through to by writing this) are now fucking bums.

Prior to this we had made it through Weed, booze, barbiturates, shrooms, MDA, MDMA, MDEA, LSD, Amyl Nitrate and we had even tried heroin once knowing we could never do it again.

To whoever gives a damn:

I don’t even know how to fucking start, I don’t even know if any of you will care. Or maybe Im just overreacting and freaking the fuck out, who knows anymore. I hope you guys had a fun time on the trip, I certainly did, despite the shit that pissed me off. As you guys know, I don’t mind sharing and providing for the group. I don’t mind putting myself at risk so we can have a good time. You guys do realized since I was the one driving and the one responsible for the van that if we were to have gotten in trouble, most of the shit would have fallen on me. I know Graham does, he complained about it constantly when you guys were planning for Humboldt. Oh, and on the subject of Humboldt, thank you very fucking much for even bothering to ask me if I wanted to come… Oh wait you didn’t. “Also, guys I don’t know how the fuck we did it?!?! God damn how did we make it???” That shit got on my fucking nerves. Ill tell you how we did it. I planned it out, I got you moving and I held your fucking hands the entire god damn way. You guys weren’t even capable to help me clean the van when I asked for help. Instead you fucking sit there while I dart in between your legs looking for shit to throw out. This isn’t the only time. Remember when we had planned on doing acid and things fell through? The same way shit fell through with your trip to Humboldt? Well, this time, like last time, I said fuck you incompetent bastards, Ill plan and get those going my fucking self. And I did. What you might not know is that Im not just broke, but approximately 1000$ in debt. All of those funds spent so that WE can have a good time.



But see guys, none of the shit I’ve been bitching about matters to me. You guys are my friends and that’s all that matters. Right? Friendship trumps all, am I right guys? Well apparently not. See, last night when we decided to come home, the reason for leaving right away was so we could get home and hang out with our friend Henry who just happened to pay for a lot of the drugs on our trip. Well last night, when it started to get dark and everyone else had passed out from smoking/tiredness, Charlotte asked if I wanted a little bit of coke to help stay awake. I said no, I was fine. However, after a while the tunnel vision and fatigue started getting to me. She asked again, I said, ok, just a little bit, just enough so I can stay awake. I could have let someone else drive, except, even if your only high, I have no idea how fucked up you are. I don’t know if I can trust you to drive. If it were my car, I wouldn’t care, if shit got fucked up Id deal with it. But when the vehicle does not belong to me, sorry its not that I don’t trust you, but I just don’t want put me or you in a position of having to tell my dad that I let you drive while stoned or coked out and we got into an accident. Anyways, we stop at a gas station for peeps to use the restroom and Charlotte goes into the restroom to cut up some coke and put it into the bullet. Well Shelby and Charlotte come back to the car, sniffling (I wonder why) and Shelby explains to me that there isn’t much coke left and that we told Henry that we would save some for him, so I should only have some if its an emergency. That’s cool, the reason we left was so that we could see Henry anyways. I can keep driving. Its not like Ive been driving 30 of the past 36 hours or that I’ve only had 6 hours of sleep in past 48.

My point is that everyone made a big deal about saving it for when we see Henry. Yet 30 minutes later decided to do some after trying to fucking rationalize a reason. “Henry gave this to us, he doesn’t want to do coke anymore” “Henry would totally understand” Bullshit. And when I called bullshit, I took shit for it.

God damn it, I don’t even want to write this shit anymore.

The reason I am throwing this hissy fit is because you chose drugs over your friend. It’s as simple as that. By doing that I have realized that you guys might not value friendship as much as I thought you did. Good fucking game.

I’ve been in fucking tears as I’ve written this. I am writing this because you are my friends, because true friends call each other out when one fucks up so shit can get handled. My whole goal in life was to make it well off so I could support you guys. I though we shared the same values, the same mind set, thus why I don’t mind helping to provide for you guys. Guess not. My world just fucking shattered.

~Y

PS: Maybe I’m overreacting, maybe I’m not, I am definitely willing to talk things over, to figure things out. That being said, before you call me, w/e etc. please take some time to think over what happened, to take an honest look at the situation. That and if you try to talk to me, please be fucking sober.


PSS: Charlotte was the only person once we got home to even bother with a simple fucking thank you.

I had my entire life planned around these guys, since we had been through so much together. These guys were my family since my mother is a crazy loon and my father has high 24/7 since the age of 15 coping with the fact that his father abandoned him as a child.

Think about having a loved one die, you mother/father, wife/husband or daughter/son. Thats what It felt like for me.

And that folks, is cocaine for you =(.

I still use drugs, albeit more sparingly than I used to. The key to drugs is being stable and staying stable (Financially and mentally) and thankfully I am currently both. (I think =P)

[jayrebb]

Originally Posted by tehpmd

Well, on the subject of Coke... That shit will break apart even the strongest of friendships =(

I still have this saved on my computer and the people involved (Save me and the one person I was able to get through to by writing this) are now fucking bums.

Prior to this we had made it through Weed, booze, barbiturates, shrooms, MDA, MDMA, MDEA, LSD, Amyl Nitrate and we had even tried heroin once knowing we could never do it again.



I had my entire life planned around these guys, since we had been through so much together. These guys were my family since my mother is a crazy loon and my father has high 24/7 since the age of 15 coping with the fact that his father abandoned him as a child.

Think about having a loved one die, you mother/father, wife/husband or daughter/son. Thats what It felt like for me.

And that folks, is cocaine for you =(.

I still use drugs, albeit more sparingly than I used to. The key to drugs is being stable and staying stable (Financially and mentally) and thankfully I am currently both. (I think =P)

Im going to go with overreaction on this one. You are making cocaine out to be more than it really is. Like anything else its just a drug. If you are using drugs to make you feel a certain way, you are WRONG. If you are using drugs to enhance your current feelings, you are right. Any other use of drugs = selfish addicts.

So your friends were just bad people to begin with. Cocaine didn't do anything to them. They were douchbags. All cocaine did was reveal what personality types they had.

Plenty of people do an 1/8 a week and can keep their head to the ground. Just because you had douchebag friends doesn't mean it was cocaine's fault.

[tehpmd]

Originally Posted by jayrebb

Im going to go with overreaction on this one. You are making cocaine out to be more than it really is. Like anything else its just a drug. If you are using drugs to make you feel a certain way, you are WRONG. If you are using drugs to enhance your current feelings, you are right. Any other use of drugs = selfish addicts.

So your friends were just bad people to begin with. Cocaine didn't do anything to them. They were douchbags. All cocaine did was reveal what personality types they had.

Plenty of people do an 1/8 a week and can keep their head to the ground. Just because you had douchebag friends doesn't mean it was cocaine's fault.

I totally agree. Meh, maybe I wasnt clear enough. I should of said can break up instead of will break up.(Went and edited that) I 100% agree with drugs meant to enhance rather than make you feel away. Take MDMA for example. People call it a happy pill, saying it makes you feel happy. Not true, the hapiness comes from within. Ive been on E before and been given some bad news b4. Now that was a bad trip, my emotions were multiplied and I felt like shit.

Also, I know the Coke didnt make them be douchbags, but at the same time I dont believe they were in the 1st place.

Like you said, some can do 1/8 a week and hold it together, some can do more, depends on the person.

The reason I stopped associating with these people is because they choose the drug over their friend.

The fact that they couldnt stop doing the stuff for 4 hours till we got to our friend who had bought it in the 1st place (He couldnt make it on our road trip, having to cancel at the last 2nd and accidentally left the stuff in the car.)

I dont mind buying drugs for friends but if I bought the stuff, I at least want to be with everyone else doing it. This makes sense right?

Anyways, he realized he left it and didnt mind we had a little over a quarter of near pure coke (The drip was barely noticeable since there was little to no speed). All he asked of us was to save 2 grams to do with him once we got back, he didnt care about the money. Everyone agreed to that and was cool with it. Anyways, once we only had 2 grams left we stopped. We were all exhausted from the trip anyways and wanted to be able to sleep that night.

Anyways, next day is the day we are going home after a fun trip. Everyones fine until were 3-4 hours from home. They decided to refill the bullet (Device for snorting coke for those who dont know) "just in case I start falling asleep at the wheel". However everyone re-affirms that its only if I really need it and we all agree. 30 minutes after the thing is filled (and now coke is readily available to use in a moving vehicle) and I start hearing BS excuses on why we should do the coke now. I tell em no, we shouldnt. Well, what do I know, 15 minute later, the 2 girls who had snorted some when they filled it start to come down and still having it with em just decided to do so more. They give some to everyone else in the van, but I refused, saying we had promised our friend. So because I refuse I get shit for being a spoilsport/uptight/etc.

Why I reacted the way I did: These people were my best of friends. I would have been willing to give up my life to save them from harm. I had a better job than working minimum wage and thus didnt mind spending more money than the others. Yes I was in debt but not because of lack of money, we just went crazy during the summer while I hadnt been working. Anyways, Henry was friends with them the same way I was. Me and him were the 2 main financial backers of our group. When they chose the drug over him (Seriously, they couldnt wait 4 fucking hours) I know they would have done the same thing if it was me stuck at home and Henry driving. It wasnt oh, we were on cocaine and ended up doing all of it which I might understand. It was them kinda high (With grandaddy purps, a strong indica which has little mind fog so they cant blame the weed) deciding to do some, despite their promise, and giving me shit for arguing against them. That made me realize that they had let the drug take control.

I wrote that letter telling them how I felt about the situation. I didnt say fuck you guys, you screwed over our friend, go die. I told them: "Hey guys, that was fucked up, this how I feel about it, call me and we can talk about it and work this out." Only one did, and as I mentioned, the rest are litterly now living on the streets, last I heard from their parents (Who have also tried to help by the way) doing who knows what trying to get a fix.

[Smithiy]

One of my friends ODed on coke and died, my best friend almost did the same. I can't count the number of friends fast on their way to where your friends are. I've sold a bit of coke, my best friend would flip QPs, I know what people will do for that shit.

It ain't my drug, never has been, but cokeheads aren't the same people they once were when they really start getting into it.

[jayrebb]

Originally Posted by Smithiy

One of my friends ODed on coke and died, my best friend almost did the same. I can't count the number of friends fast on their way to where your friends are. I've sold a bit of coke, my best friend would flip QPs, I know what people will do for that shit.

It ain't my drug, never has been, but cokeheads aren't the same people they once were when they really start getting into it.

In theory, there is no such thing as a true coke OD. Rather, "overdose" is spontaneous and can happen at any time, with any dose. Throughout a cocaine users lifespan, he will suffer several small heart attacks, which may or may not kill him, some of which he won't even realize happened.

The same gram you did on a night last week, .4 grams might be all it takes to kill you the next week. This is far from the norm obviously, but there is a percentage.

No medical studies have been able to find any reasoning with a cocaine overdose. So you take your life into your own hands every time.

[Smithiy]

Originally Posted by jayrebb

In theory, there is no such thing as a true coke OD. Rather, "overdose" is spontaneous and can happen at any time, with any dose. Throughout a cocaine users lifespan, he will suffer several small heart attacks, which may or may not kill him, some of which he won't even realize happened.

The same gram you did on a night last week, .4 grams might be all it takes to kill you the next week. This is far from the norm obviously, but there is a percentage.

No medical studies have been able to find any reasoning with a cocaine overdose. So you take your life into your own hands every time.

My friend was 16, did most of an eightball, also drank a shitload and took bars, he overdosed, no way around it, was probably a mixture of drugs rather than just coke though. The other was 20, sold coke, got pulled over and his car was about to get searched, he swallowed an eightball he had on him and died. I'm quite sure it's possible to die from coke OD.

[jayrebb]

Originally Posted by Smithiy

My friend was 16, did most of an eightball, also drank a shitload and took bars, he overdosed, no way around it, was probably a mixture of drugs rather than just coke though. The other was 20, sold coke, got pulled over and his car was about to get searched, he swallowed an eightball he had on him and died. I'm quite sure it's possible to die from coke OD.

Yes of course. What I am saying is, that while traditional overdose happens, there are also a percentage of cocaine users that suffer dose-unrelated life threatening effects.

Cocaine can cause coronary artery spasms which lead to a myocardial infarction. This effect can happen randomly to any user. The coronary artery spasms can occur on the users first usage or any other usage after. The coronary spasms cause the ectopic ventricular foci of the heart to become hypoxic and the extreme irritability can trigger life-threatening ventricular arrhythmias.

So again, overdose being a case of taking too much, is never the only reason for what is known as cocaine sudden death.

[jayrebb]

Originally Posted by jayrebb

Yes of course. What I am saying is, that while traditional overdose happens, there are also a percentage of cocaine users that suffer dose-unrelated life threatening effects.



So again, overdose being a case of taking too much, is never the only reason for what is known as cocaine sudden death.

The bars kept him alive longer than he should have been apparently

In cases where a patient is unable or unwilling to seek medical attention, cocaine overdoses resulting in mild-moderate tachycardia, it may be initially treated with 20 mg of orally administered diazepam(Valium) or equivalent benzodiazepine (eg: 2mg lorazepam).

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the thread requesting a drug forum has turned into...a DRUG THREAD! hells yea!

[brekk]

Originally Posted by ...

the thread requesting a drug forum has turned into...a DRUG THREAD! hells yea!

well the best way to legitimize our need for a drug forum is showing the quality of conversation that would go on in it.

[Tannybaker]

NO quality conversation goes into fucking up your mind with that shit, you are pathetic and you are FOOLING yourself get over it.