Science and Drugs forum - Page 6

tikkus · 09-08-2007, 08:05 AM

Well, the point of a Science/Drug forum anyway would be to chat about these things with the FoH community. I'm well aware there are other places out there to do it, but not with these people.

Eduardo · 09-08-2007, 09:18 AM

Fun thread, and it is tempting to share some of my many experiences and thoughts on these subjects.

I'll share a little. Concerning science, I did much of this while studying physics (it is interesting how there was the group of physicists that embraced alternative methods contrasted with the group that strictly adhered to status quo) and I must say I learned at least as much about the universe and consciousness while meditating and tripping in the woods as I did in my curriculum. The two disciplines merge well together, if one can overcome the conflicting parts. Over the course of history many physicists have naturally drifted to a more eastern philosophical mindset, and this can be augmented by a combination of meditation, psychotropics, and physics and consciousness studies.

I recommend using psychs only in a natural setting, deeper into the woods the better, preferably near water like a river with a waterfall or a lake.
Wait until you are out of high school at least please, not because of any arbitrary human created laws, but because you want to give your brain enough time to build a solid base in the current cultural expectations of your society, so that you will be better prepared to decide what path to take after you become aware of the arbitrary restrictions you live within. Once you enter the realm, you must be prepared to think above and beyond what people around you have let themselves be capable of, and must be prepared to accept their limitations and their misunderstanding of your experiences. 'Think outside the box'... my response to that phrase is 'what box?', meaning that the limitations of thought are blown wide open, eradicating any previously held beliefs and self limitations. These things are not to be taken as party drugs, and their abuse in this manner can quickly destroy any hope of enlightenment one can achieve with their use. Study before you jump in, be prepared, understand the chemistry and the psychology of what you are about to take. Surround yourself with only people you trust, or no one at all. Bring food and fresh water, though you may not want to eat anything as the act of eating can be, interesting...

One can definitely achieve a deeper respect and understanding of their self, their surroundings, and the process and systems of the universe including our consciousness within it. But it helps to have that as a goal, not during just the trip but throughout life. I was predetermined to be focused on such things and this naturally becomes augmented during the trip. That is one thing that is largely misunderstood, LSD etc is mostly a trigger for what is already in the mind, for its predispositions and desires. It starts by opening the floodgates of chemical and electrical networks in the brain, rearranging what is already there, which in turn opens your mind up to new possibilities.

Beware though, since 1966 when Sandoz stopped legal shipments of LSD, it can be difficult to get the real thing. It is best to simply not use it, and if you must take something grow your own herb, mushrooms, and peyote instead, and use them with severe moderation.

edit: In addition, I would recommend staying away from Dextromethorphine Hydrobromide (DXM, or Robotussin Cough) as it will cause nerve damage. Whipits or nitrous is stupid, it kills cells, don't do it. Salvia didn't do anything for me, and yes we did it the right way, all my chemist friends felt it for sure. But it isn't anything you should do often. None of this is anything one should do often, or at all in some cases. Some people are very unprepared for the outcome, and if you do not have a strong constitution and belief in your self, it is best to mentally develop a bit more before trying anything discussed in this thread. Drugs are not all bad, mmkay? But that doesn't mean they are for everyone. People should also study what the CIA did last century with MK ULTRA and their plans for population control, as it is very relevant to our current circumstances. There are many books on these subjects, written by ex-CIA and others.

brekk · 09-08-2007, 09:54 AM

god do i miss overgrow.com

though they couldnt talk about any hard drugs basically weed and shrooms

shroomery.org aint bad.

vurt · 09-09-2007, 03:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tikkus

Well, the point of a Science/Drug forum anyway would be to chat about these things with the FoH community. I'm well aware there are other places out there to do it, but not with these people.

TCC's got the same quality of stuff you're going to get out of brekk and others like him, just a lot more of it. Why waste your time.

tikkus · 09-09-2007, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vurt

TCC's got the same quality of stuff you're going to get out of brekk and others like him, just a lot more of it. Why waste your time.

Well, the point of a Science/Drug forum anyway would be to chat about these things with the FoH community. I'm well aware there are other places out there to do it, but not with these people.

vurt · 09-09-2007, 03:07 PM

PM's???????????

AngryGerbil · 09-10-2007, 02:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tikkus

Well, the point of a Science/Drug forum anyway would be to chat about these things with the FoH community. I'm well aware there are other places out there to do it, but not with these people.

No, the point of it would be to quarantine the two biggest threats to Jeebus loving conservative machinations in one happy little hippie liberal (read: ignorable) forum.

Fuck that noise. What's the fun in a science and/or drug forum if you aren't directly pissing off Scorpvenom, Algrinon, Phoenix, or Dumar?

Asmadai · 09-10-2007, 07:26 AM

Well, we made it to almost 3 pages before someone mentioned politics.

Nice try, all.

tikkus · 09-10-2007, 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AngryGerbil

No, the point of it would be to quarantine the two biggest threats to Jeebus loving conservative machinations in one happy little hippie liberal (read: ignorable) forum.

Fuck that noise. What's the fun in a science and/or drug forum if you aren't directly pissing off Scorpvenom, Algrinon, Phoenix, or Dumar?

How about an Anti-Science and Drug forum?

Korbal · 11-06-2007, 05:00 PM

Just thought I'd throw in my support for a drug forum, for whatever that's worth. (Just found this thread now.)

Quote:

Originally Posted by vurt

TCC's got the same quality of stuff you're going to get out of brekk and others like him, just a lot more of it. Why waste your time.

I don't see it as being a place where people go to learn all about drugs (but nothing wrong with that if they do) but more of a place for us to tell drug stories or whatever with a more relaxed atmosphere than SA has.

GaliemVaelant · 11-06-2007, 08:26 PM

Once, I was stoned and doing science... I failed. Not the class, but that effort in particular.

Quantum Mechanics can not be done while smoking weed. If anyone here can prove me wrong, then behold the new messiah of physics.

Korbal · 11-06-2007, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaliemVaelant

Once, I was stoned and doing science... I failed. Not the class, but that effort in particular.

Quantum Mechanics can not be done while smoking weed. If anyone here can prove me wrong, then behold the new messiah of physics.

I've toyed with the idea of going to class or doing homework high but then I remember all the times where I couldn't even perform a simple task without fucking it up because I was high.

Last night for example, I smoked in my room and then went downstairs to make some food. I made a bagel w/ cream cheese, grabbed 2 yogurts, a spoon, and a cup of juice and then tried to figure out how to carry all this shit back upstairs in one go. I decided that I'd balance the plate with the bagels on top of the cup in one hand and carry the spoon and yogurts in the other hand.

(I should mention here that the stairs in my house creak very loudly and I was trying to be very quiet because my roommate was sleeping.)

So anyways, I baby step to the bottom of the stairs and it's at this point that I realize I forgot to turn on a light at the top of the stairs, so as soon as I turn off the living room light it's going to be pitch dark. Shit. How the fuck am I going to balance this plate in the dark? Whatever, I can manage it. I flick the light off and take the first step. No problem. Take a few more one step at a time. Easy. At this point, I realize that by taking the steps so slow I'm increasing the creaking by like tenfold and start to get paranoid that I might be waking my roommate up. I decide to risk it and go up the stairs at normal speed and hope I can balance the plate. I make it all the way to the top when the plate wobbles and as I try to shift my weight to keep the plate balanced, I stumble over the last step and completely wipe out sending everything flying like a crashing fucking freight train.

So yeah, being high + simple task > me.

fanaskin · 11-06-2007, 09:16 PM

pride goeth before the fall, literally.

brekk · 11-07-2007, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Korbal

I've toyed with the idea of going to class or doing homework high but then I remember all the times where I couldn't even perform a simple task without fucking it up because I was high.

Ive done so many C++ programming assignments stoned, from beginning to end. Oddly enough I make less stupid syntax errors if I code while stoned.

On one of the programs the prof ever said that he thought I had a very unique, uncommon approach to solving the problem.

homsar · 11-07-2007, 02:17 PM

I passed out and pissed myself once...

09-08-2007, 09:18 AM	#77 (permalink)
Eduardo is not my name Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 425 +0 Internets	Fun thread, and it is tempting to share some of my many experiences and thoughts on these subjects. I'll share a little. Concerning science, I did much of this while studying physics (it is interesting how there was the group of physicists that embraced alternative methods contrasted with the group that strictly adhered to status quo) and I must say I learned at least as much about the universe and consciousness while meditating and tripping in the woods as I did in my curriculum. The two disciplines merge well together, if one can overcome the conflicting parts. Over the course of history many physicists have naturally drifted to a more eastern philosophical mindset, and this can be augmented by a combination of meditation, psychotropics, and physics and consciousness studies. I recommend using psychs only in a natural setting, deeper into the woods the better, preferably near water like a river with a waterfall or a lake. Wait until you are out of high school at least please, not because of any arbitrary human created laws, but because you want to give your brain enough time to build a solid base in the current cultural expectations of your society, so that you will be better prepared to decide what path to take after you become aware of the arbitrary restrictions you live within. Once you enter the realm, you must be prepared to think above and beyond what people around you have let themselves be capable of, and must be prepared to accept their limitations and their misunderstanding of your experiences. 'Think outside the box'... my response to that phrase is 'what box?', meaning that the limitations of thought are blown wide open, eradicating any previously held beliefs and self limitations. These things are not to be taken as party drugs, and their abuse in this manner can quickly destroy any hope of enlightenment one can achieve with their use. Study before you jump in, be prepared, understand the chemistry and the psychology of what you are about to take. Surround yourself with only people you trust, or no one at all. Bring food and fresh water, though you may not want to eat anything as the act of eating can be, interesting... One can definitely achieve a deeper respect and understanding of their self, their surroundings, and the process and systems of the universe including our consciousness within it. But it helps to have that as a goal, not during just the trip but throughout life. I was predetermined to be focused on such things and this naturally becomes augmented during the trip. That is one thing that is largely misunderstood, LSD etc is mostly a trigger for what is already in the mind, for its predispositions and desires. It starts by opening the floodgates of chemical and electrical networks in the brain, rearranging what is already there, which in turn opens your mind up to new possibilities. Beware though, since 1966 when Sandoz stopped legal shipments of LSD, it can be difficult to get the real thing. It is best to simply not use it, and if you must take something grow your own herb, mushrooms, and peyote instead, and use them with severe moderation. edit: In addition, I would recommend staying away from Dextromethorphine Hydrobromide (DXM, or Robotussin Cough) as it will cause nerve damage. Whipits or nitrous is stupid, it kills cells, don't do it. Salvia didn't do anything for me, and yes we did it the right way, all my chemist friends felt it for sure. But it isn't anything you should do often. None of this is anything one should do often, or at all in some cases. Some people are very unprepared for the outcome, and if you do not have a strong constitution and belief in your self, it is best to mentally develop a bit more before trying anything discussed in this thread. Drugs are not all bad, mmkay? But that doesn't mean they are for everyone. People should also study what the CIA did last century with MK ULTRA and their plans for population control, as it is very relevant to our current circumstances. There are many books on these subjects, written by ex-CIA and others. Last edited by Eduardo : 09-08-2007 at 09:29 AM.

11-06-2007, 08:26 PM	#86 (permalink)
GaliemVaelant An Excellent Driver Join Date: May 2003 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,693 +0 Internets	Once, I was stoned and doing science... I failed. Not the class, but that effort in particular. Quantum Mechanics can not be done while smoking weed. If anyone here can prove me wrong, then behold the new messiah of physics. __________________ "...And now I lay him down to sleep, and pray the lord my son could speak..."

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homsar Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Redding, Ca Posts: 1,217 +7 Internets	I passed out and pissed myself once... __________________ Debbi: Duke, let's go do some crimes. Duke: Yeah. Let's go get sushi and not pay.

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09-08-2007, 08:05 AM	#76 (permalink)
tikkus Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,219 -3 Internets	Well, the point of a Science/Drug forum anyway would be to chat about these things with the FoH community. I'm well aware there are other places out there to do it, but not with these people.

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Asmadai Monolith - Area 52 Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Sealab Posts: 2,242	Well, we made it to almost 3 pages before someone mentioned politics. Nice try, all.

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fanaskin Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 120 +0 Internets	pride goeth before the fall, literally.