Science and Drugs forum

[Salshun]

Originally Posted by Azrayne

While he's right that the bio-availability is much lower for oral ingestion, particularly for certain drugs, I have a hard time imagining you would be able to eat a softball sized dose of coke/heroine and survive.

Yeah, you'd die. While I may be exaggerating just a bit, getting high on it would require more than the amount necessary to kill you.

[Convo]

I was just pointing it out to make sure no one read what you originally said and tried it. A lot of overdoses occur by mistake or misinformation. Drugs are bad. Make my job easier and stop doing them. You guy will save more lives than just yours I swear. Ok, lecture over!

[Salshun]

This is serious shit, so I will watch what I say in the future. I once got banned from a drug forum for telling a guy that Temazepam, if you take 6 of them, is like X.

[brekk]

Originally Posted by Salshun

I once got banned from a drug forum for telling a guy that Temazepam, if you take 6 of them, is like X.

overgrow or shroomery?

most real drug forums have strong rules against recomending specific doses.

You can say:
I took 6 of such and such and it was just like E.

You can't say:
Dude take 6 of such and such you'll think you're on E.

For legal reasons (im not sure of the exact specifics) you can only share personal experiences when dealing with doses, not recomendations.

[Salshun]

Originally Posted by brekk

overgrow or shroomery?

most real drug forums have strong rules against recomending specific doses.

You can say:
I took 6 of such and such and it was just like E.

You can't say:
Dude take 6 of such and such you'll think you're on E.

For legal reasons (im not sure of the exact specifics) you can only share personal experiences when dealing with doses, not recomendations.

No Temazepam is a REALLY powerful insomnia drug. I was on it once and one of them you have about 10 minutes to get to a place where you can crash. 6 of them would be BAD. So it is a personal experience, as I was on it, but it would be like dropping 10 Ambien's. Also the forum in question, bluelight.ru, recommending doses if perfectly fine, as long as you aren't kidding/lying like I was. They WANT to post helpful information, like dosage.

Also, I do realize bluelight information has to be taken with a grain of salt, but their are VERY educated and informative people on there, and those who are ill-informative get politely corrected, and those who knowingly talk shit or post information they know is wrong usually get rudely called on their bullshit. It's one of those forums and topics where bad information, taken as the gospel truth, can lead to someone getting hurt, so bad information is swatted like an annoying fly.

[brekk]

I haven't spent much time on bluelight. I was a big overgrow user til it got shut down, and since then I've used shroomery the most.

[Salshun]

Originally Posted by brekk

I haven't spent much time on bluelight. I was a big overgrow user til it got shut down, and since then I've used shroomery the most.

Concerning that 2C-B chemical I mentioned earlier, here's a trip report I wrote

2:15AM Ingestion of half a pill, approx. 13 MG

2:50AM Warm body feeling, hands kind of shaking, 1/10 on the euphoria scale. Kind of feel like I'm falling into a warm comfortable chair.

3:00AM Ingested other half. Blade 3 is on TV. Not enough drugs on the planet to make this watchable. Feeling a very noticeable come up on par with X. No visuals yet.

3:15AM Um...wow, definitely on par with X come up euphoria. No real visuals yet, perhaps some bleeding of lights from the monitor and TV. Also, feel warmer, eyes slightly drooping. From this point of I'll probably have to triple check everything I type as to not come off too inebriated.

3:30 Jesus jumping christ on a pogo stick. I feel...fantastic. Definitely have the visuals now...and they're only going to get better. It's cigarette time. Best high in the last 2 years, fully recommend this.

3:45 Wow, smoking outside just had to battle a bit of nausea, but thankfully it passed. Wouldn't want to vomit out something before it had a chance to dissolve, but at this point that's probably not a concern. Very heavy now, even to the point of wondering if I took a few MG's too much. Happened last time I dropped, nothing to worry about. Just going to ride it out with a smile.

4:00 The "heavy" feeling passed, now into the good intense "peak" but feeling in complete control. Computer monitor moving like an sine wave. Hah, enough to make laugh out loud. Very intense now. Easily better than the last 2 times I've done 2C-B. Experiencing tactile sensations, itching myself a very warm, pleasurable experience.

4:25 Going to grab another smoke. Feel very warm and euphoric without too much of a "chemical" feel. Feels very natural for as much as I can say something like that now.

5:00 Wasting this trip just sitting here...going to go for a walk.

5:10 I think the visual are gone, which sucks because I think I wasted them sitting in front of my computer instead of being out and enjoying them. The euphoria is still in full effect, however, and sitting in the swivel chair out back I just might have had the best cigarette of my life.

5:15 Wow, I think the visuals are coming back. Don't remember 2C-B's effects ever coming in waves like this. Euphoria is wonderful. Nothing intense, more like this steady warming glow.

5:30 Visuals are gone, just the soft glow of the settling euphoria now. All in all a great experience.

5:45 My last post for this subject. Recommend 2C-B to anyone interested, just don't waste a good portion of it staring at a computer monitor, like I did.

[woot!]

RIP Albert Hoffman (father of LSD) who died yesterday (age 102). I'd highly encourage anyone here to read his book "LSD my problem child" if you have not already.

[dak]

RIP

[Asmadai]

Rest in Peace Albert...

A chapter from the book mentioned above. A very good read for those of you who've never read it.

LSD Experience and Reality

[brekk]

102 ain't bad for a guy that im sure ingested his fair share of psychadelics.

[Azrayne]

Honestly, I never understood the big deal about LSD. 6 hours of giggling at nothing, intense confusion and extremely uncomfortable body sensations, with a false sense of significance and meaning overlayed over everyday things which fades as soon as the drug wears off. Followed by another 2 or 3 hours of tiredness, the same confusion and 'omg I'm over this just let me sleep already.'

I've taken it 4 times, once by itself, once with meth (which more or less counts as by itself, the drugs don't interact significantly), and twice with ecstasy, and, while none of those experiences were terrible, the novelty wore off after an hour or two and I just wanted to go back to normal.

RIP nevertheless.

[Salshun]

Originally Posted by Azrayne

Honestly, I never understood the big deal about LSD. 6 hours of giggling at nothing, intense confusion and extremely uncomfortable body sensations, with a false sense of significance and meaning overlayed over everyday things which fades as soon as the drug wears off. Followed by another 2 or 3 hours of tiredness, the same confusion and 'omg I'm over this just let me sleep already.'

I've taken it 4 times, once by itself, once with meth (which more or less counts as by itself, the drugs don't interact significantly), and twice with ecstasy, and, while none of those experiences were terrible, the novelty wore off after an hour or two and I just wanted to go back to normal.

RIP nevertheless.

You should try that 2C-B stuff I mentioned above. Has the same body euphoria of X, and the visuals are just kind of the 70's cliche shit, wavy lines, geometric patterns, lights bleed, etc. None of the "you'll see werewolves" shit like LSD; very safe, controlled trip and the trip itself is not as intense as LSD from what I hear. I did it alone in my room watching TV and playing WoW the last time, and I never once got freaked out felt anything less than safe and comfortable. I've NEVER seen anyone get freaked out on it or have a bad trip, plus you get all the good euphoria. Also, it wears of very gradually, no harsh come down, and for the next few days you feel really good and happy. Also once it wears off, sleep is very easy, and your bed will NEVER be more comfortable. I was out for a good 12 hours.

[Azrayne]

haha I've actually been trying to get my hands on some for ages. It went through a bit of a phase in the dance scene here a couple months ago, but circulation died down a little before I managed to obtain some. I still hear about it from time to time though, and there's no way I'd turn down a chance at some if I come across it. Or any of the 2c-*'s for that matter.

It's not that I don't enjoy the positive side effects of LSD, I just find they're kind of overrated, and overwhelmed by the negative side effects and the stupidly long duration of the whole experience. If I could get a drug with more of the 'coolness' it imparts on everything, but lasted 1/2 or a 1/3 of the duration, a little easier to handle yourself on and less of the uncomfortable body sensations, I'd be a happy man.

What are your thoughts on K? I'm going to pick up a gram next time I have the spare cash (drugs are rather expensive here, so I have to ration and plan it out) I've heard nothing but good about it, and it sounds like a fun psychadelic experience without the long term commitment of LSD, since it wears off after 2 hours or so, and you can redose or not as you desire.

[Salshun]

Originally Posted by Azrayne

haha I've actually been trying to get my hands on some for ages. It went through a bit of a phase in the dance scene here a couple months ago, but circulation died down a little before I managed to obtain some. I still hear about it from time to time though, and there's no way I'd turn down a chance at some if I come across it. Or any of the 2c-*'s for that matter.

It's not that I don't enjoy the positive side effects of LSD, I just find they're kind of overrated, and overwhelmed by the negative side effects and the stupidly long duration of the whole experience. If I could get a drug with more of the 'coolness' it imparts on everything, but lasted 1/2 or a 1/3 of the duration, a little easier to handle yourself on and less of the uncomfortable body sensations, I'd be a happy man.

What are your thoughts on K? I'm going to pick up a gram next time I have the spare cash (drugs are rather expensive here, so I have to ration and plan it out) I've heard nothing but good about it, and it sounds like a fun psychadelic experience without the long term commitment of LSD, since it wears off after 2 hours or so, and you can redose or not as you desire.

As for the 2C-'s, I've never done anything else, but I've heard from numerous people that 2C-E can be a lot more intense and a heavier body load. Now I've never done LSD, so I can't really speak on it, but I really don't think it would interest me. 2C-B I like because of the body euphoria, the psychedelic aspects are kind of just an added side bonus, plus they're not really anything heavy, like I said, just the colors and shapes shit. One interesting little bit of info on LSD is that in my opinion, it's the only real "slam dunk" in the history of the drug war. 2 guys got busted that were pumping out 95% of the shit in the United States, and they got busted. You can read about the main guy here:

William Leonard Pickard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As for Ketamine, I've never tried it. I do know it's one of the few psychedelics that you can become addicted to and I've also heard dosage can sometimes be difficult to gauge, which over dosing very easy to do. It's not on the top of my list of new things to try. My favorites have always been amphetamines, which the BIG exception of meth. I've done it once and never again. I don't like any drugs where the days following taking it I regret it and have to recover. Even X I gave up because of the penchant for a really shitty recovery period.

In that same line of thinking, I was never a Xanax/Soma fan, because frankly anything that makes me tired I really don't view as recreational. Hell I know people that take Temazepam and Ambien and a recreational drug. When I ask them how a sleeping pill is recreational, they tell me that "Oh you have to fight the urge to sleep". How is sleep deprivation fun? Pretty much any of the Benzo line of drugs. I just honestly don't get it.

Also, weed, never liked it. Some people get really energetic and hyper on it, and I really envy them, because I just lay in bed staring at the ceiling trying to get the energy to even piss, let alone enjoy it with other high people in a social setting.

Never needed ANY help being tired or hungry, don't really need to spend money on weed for those feelings.

In terms of my favorite drugs, I would have to say coke or the opiate line (Oxy, hydro, etc). If you think about it, they make you full of energy, and in a fantastic mood, and for me that's the be all, end all point of drugs.