Debt Free

[Hatorade]

Originally Posted by Eomer

It's got nothing to do with being better than anything or different from anyone, and everything to do with enjoying life. If Grob wants to work in soup kitchens and help the poor, he's welcome to do that. If he wants to build a cabin in the woods and live out his days at peace with nature, he can do that, provided he doesn't letter bomb anyone. If he wants to sign on with an NGO and go be an aid worker, that's his choice.

I'd love to hear what it is that you do that gives you so much smugness and moral superiority.

You kidding? He lives life done right.

[Dumar]

Originally Posted by Eomer

It's got nothing to do with being better than anything or different from anyone, and everything to do with enjoying life. If Grob wants to work in soup kitchens and help the poor, he's welcome to do that. If he wants to build a cabin in the woods and live out his days at peace with nature, he can do that, provided he doesn't letter bomb anyone. If he wants to sign on with an NGO and go be an aid worker, that's his choice.

I'd love to hear what it is that you do that gives you so much smugness and moral superiority.

there's only objectivity if you want to see the objectivity. it's not right or wrong to choose to see or not because it ultimately doesn't matter in the end, but it is there. grob was asking what to do with his money if not toys or vacations. and if he wants to really be someone above the system, that's pretty much the way. i never judged or said i was holier than thou. just the matters of fact is all.

[GrobbeeTrull2.0]

@Hatorade: I get paid bi-weekly, and debt freedom was achieved last paycheck. This one is +500 to the savings account, because we got some friends to move in to our apartment complex netting us $400 off rent. Same for next month, too, so that's awesome.

[Eomer]

Originally Posted by Dumar

there's only objectivity if you want to see the objectivity. it's not right or wrong to choose to see or not because it ultimately doesn't matter in the end, but it is there. grob was asking what to do with his money if not toys or vacations. and if he wants to really be someone above the system, that's pretty much the way. i never judged or said i was holier than thou. just the matters of fact is all.

*jerking off motion*

[Hatorade]

Originally Posted by GrobbeeTrull2.0

@Hatorade: I get paid bi-weekly, and debt freedom was achieved last paycheck. This one is +500 to the savings account, because we got some friends to move in to our apartment complex netting us $400 off rent. Same for next month, too, so that's awesome.

Nice! There will come a point when you feel that you can reward yourself with something lavish because you have been so good at saving. DO NOT DO IT! Go out to dinner or something under 100.00, treat yourself but don't dip into that saved cash. Saved hardcore for 4 years and it hit me that I wanted something so bought a motorcycle it was only like 10% of our savings but still very dumb of me. Point is it will hit you sooner or later.

[Mario Speedwagon]

Where's my fucking check bro? I'm depending on you for my rent comrade.

[Dis]

Originally Posted by Dumar

if you're not a consumerist, then it's harder to get happy. most people like their shiny little toys like condos and cars. the shiny toys get them women, so they like them even more. the american dream isn't what you want; that's actually just an excuse to make it sound better than it is. the american dream is buying these things; it's buying shiny toys to get girls to eventually shit out kids. that's it in a nutshell. didn't you watch revolutionary road kids?

some people deviate from this path and blow it all on travel, vacation; basically, spend money to gain unique experience. these people tell themselves they're different than the retards buying bmw's, but they're really not. because at the end of the day, they're still spending it on themselves; it's just a vacation to peru instead of that bmw.

if you really want to be a better person, someone who really does crap on the system and is better than it, then you should give it away. take your bank account to africa and pass out the account number.

if you do that, you truly are better than the system. truly.

You are a shining example of a Buckeye. Keep up the good work!

[Dumar]

where am i wrong?

[Picasso]

because your entire argument is to forfeit living instead of participating in a system, that billions of people enjoy just fine, to die hungry and homeless.

And the Dumar Alamo fallback is nothing really mattering or meaning anything, and if thats the case, why are you talking?

[Dumar]

not die hungry and homeless, to find another meaning to life, maybe that's at a temple in thailand, in the amazon with a closed tribal culture, a farm raising your own crops in some rural area, or anything else that doesn't involve manipulating and using the rewards of the system.

you're better than the system in that case because you've shown (to yourself, all that matters) that you succeeded in it; you made money that can buy shinies; you're sucessful in the system by societal terms. now, to be better than the system, to rise above that layer that it creates over everyone's life, all you do is show how meaningless and unimportant the rewards of that system are to you. ie, just throw the money away.

a person that does that, regardless of others opinions, is better than the system he himself thrived in.

you do all of this for yourself, not for others. not for the opinion or admiration of them. the road you embark on when you do something like this would, before you even do it, make you realize any of this is for your well-being.

ps, to put in tl;dr terms, if you do this to be better than the system ONLY, you're really not in the first place.

[Picasso]

Originally Posted by Dumar

not die hungry and homeless, to find another meaning to life, maybe that's at a temple in thailand, in the amazon with a closed tribal culture, a farm raising your own crops in some rural area, or anything else that doesn't involve manipulating and using the rewards of the system.

How is raising your own crops in some rural area different from working and buying the crops with the proceeds?

Did you ever actually consider why the system is there in your tyler durden anti cubicle breakthrough?

I'll give you a hint -- the *man* didn't create it to keep you running in a hamster wheel all your life.

[Dumar]

Originally Posted by Picasso

How is raising your own crops in some rural area different from working and buying the crops with the proceeds?

Did you ever actually consider why the system is there in your tyler durden anti cubicle breakthrough?

I'll give you a hint -- the *man* didn't create it to keep you running in a hamster wheel all your life.

because you're raising the crops for the intention of using them totally. you're not raising crops to sell, to get money, to buy shinies.

it doesn't matter why the system is there or who put it there. grobb asked originally what to do with his money if shinies, vagina, or vacations weren't important to him. given his post history, he seems to not like the system we have. i provided a way for him to rise above it.

[Picasso]

Originally Posted by Dumar

because you're raising the crops for the intention of using them totally. you're not raising crops to sell, to get money.

But if i work to buy crops to use totally?

[Eomer]

Originally Posted by Dumar

not die hungry and homeless, to find another meaning to life, maybe that's at a temple in thailand, in the amazon with a closed tribal culture, a farm raising your own crops in some rural area, or anything else that doesn't involve manipulating and using the rewards of the system.

you're better than the system in that case because you've shown (to yourself, all that matters) that you succeeded in it; you made money that can buy shinies; you're sucessful in the system by societal terms. now, to be better than the system, to rise above that layer that it creates over everyone's life, all you do is show how meaningless and unimportant the rewards of that system are to you. ie, just throw the money away.

a person that does that, regardless of others opinions, is better than the system he himself thrived in.

you do all of this for yourself, not for others. not for the opinion or admiration of them. the road you embark on when you do something like this would, before you even do it, make you realize any of this is for your well-being.

ps, to put in tl;dr terms, if you do this to be better than the system ONLY, you're really not in the first place.

Why is it automatically a "bad" thing to participate in the "system." Why is the "system" inherently bad? And by "system", do you mean any society? Or only societies that have paper money? Is bartering with gold, beads, or your daughters still cool? Or do you only demonstrate that you're "better than the system" by living as a hermit cut off from any or all societies? Is there a handy list you have of societies I can participate in that will still allow me to exist "outside the system" (again whatever the "system" is?).

[Elerion]

Dumar is so non-conformist, that he refuses to conform with the non-conformists.