Etienne Davignon admits Bilderberg created Euro

Kugbok_Fennin · 04-02-2009, 09:18 PM

Laugh, Cry, -nets me, whatever, this is no conspiracy.

EUobserver

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A meeting in June in Europe of the Bilderberg Group - an informal club of leading politicians, businessmen and thinkers chaired by Mr Davignon - could also "improve understanding" on future action, in the same way it helped create the euro in the 1990s, he said.

"When we were having debates on the euro, people [at Bilderberg events] could explain why it was worth taking risks and the others, for whom the formal policy was not to believe in it, were not obliged not to listen and had to stand up and come up with real arguments."

Screamfeeder · 04-02-2009, 11:29 PM

Did you guys know that a large group of power-brokers met together to discuss the unification of many separate entities and place them under the umbrella of a larger group and in doing so they created a system of currency that was shared once the unification was complete?

Who was the Continental Congress really working for?

I even sorta agree with your strange ideas about whatever vague, spooky position you're taking this week, but you sure come off like a goddamn moonbat sometimes.

Elerion · 04-03-2009, 06:10 AM

What the fuck, those dastardly devils hosted events were participants were encouraged, nay, FORCED to defend their political position?

You're right, I better go get ready for the apocalypse.

By the way, I hear these guys have admitted to creating everything from mayors up to US Presidents in much the same way:

Kugbok_Fennin · 04-03-2009, 08:05 AM

Well for starters it is illegal for any US Govt official to meet with any other head of state from another country without congressional approval. Bilderberg meets once per year in either Europe, Canada, or the US. It's now admitted that world affairs and policy are discussed and decisions are made that effect citizens of this country and others around the world. Only attendees are allowed to discuss what takes place at the meetings, and the "non-elite" are not allowed to know what is discussed and decided on.

This isn't a continental congress, these people are not working for the good of the world, they are working for the good of themselves and how to shape their New World Order.

No one finds it disturbing that a small group of very rich and powerful people meet for three days a year and set world policy that we are not allowed to know about?

chaos · 04-03-2009, 08:30 AM

The words "highly unlikely" come to mind.

Elerion · 04-03-2009, 08:54 AM

Just because I'm bored, I'll argue your points.

- Assuming it's the case that US Govt officials can not meet with foreign heads of state without congressional approval: do you believe that this has happened (without approval)? Can you list any cases? Can you explain why no one has addressed that point officially? I found multiple full, believable attendee lists in 30 seconds of googling - that would be extremely easy and efficient ammunition for an opposition senator to use, or the main stream press for that matter.

- Where is it admitted that decisions are made? I've seen no such thing.

- How do you know the motivations of the participants? They span across very different political and social backgrounds and geographies. In the 4 lists I looked at, I saw 2 people I know personally. This is not some unapproachable elite.

- While I understand that the secrecy can certainly inspire speculation, do you understand the official reasoning for why the discussion is kept secret? Do you understand at all the possible value in such a reasoning for promoting open discussion?

Kaosu · 04-03-2009, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Elerion

This is not some unapproachable elite.

I probably won't personally argue for the conspiracy theories out there, what I would argue for is the level of influence in policy making this group affects. There are a lot of members that influence very powerful head of states and people in the private sector as well.

No specific piece of legislature is agreed upon there I'm sure, but guiding directions and suggestions on possibilities I'm sure are in abundance there. This only leads questions to who slept with who to get what in order to do what with who, type of questions.

The highly secret natures of these topics are obviously not helping, as whenever large groups of influencutial people get together, domestic and foreign, only a few things can come out of this: Smug and conspiracy theories that scratch the surface but never quite hits the nail on the head.

GuyJantica · 04-03-2009, 10:48 AM

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Etienne Davignon admits Bilderberg created Euro

Aren't you editorializing this a little? Davignon says Bilderberg "helped" create the Euro. This means he admits the group had influence but not executive control. Everything else is inference (read: speculation). It isn't confirmation of anything really. It's certainly possible you are exactly correct in reading between the lines, but you shouldn't tote this article as proof... it's reckless.

prescient63 · 04-03-2009, 02:24 PM

Jesus people do not feed the psychoses.

Dumar · 04-03-2009, 05:22 PM

lol yeah that's just like the continental congress! fucking idiot.

Soriak · 04-03-2009, 09:02 PM

Things get done only behind closed doors. As soon as you bring in the media, everyone has to get on their soapbox and you're just wasting time. Just turn on C-SPAN... does anyone actually believe the discussions and negotiations happen in front of a camera? You get some hysterical quotes, but I'm sure Congress would be more productive without it. All those idiots taking up time to cheer on their local sports team probably wouldn't do it if it didn't air on TV and get them free coverage.

Tuco · 04-04-2009, 01:19 AM

I'm glad that our world's leaders can meet behind closed doors. Only when their motivations go against the common man's well being do I get concerned. It is in the people that profit from war that I worry and the G20 summit does not reek of this.

Kugbok_Fennin · 05-18-2009, 04:10 PM

2009 Bilderberg Attendee/Logan Act violators ***Translated from Greek so may not be perfect***

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Dutch Queen Beatrix,
Queen Sofia of Spain
Prince Constantijn Belgian Prince
Philip Ntavinion Etienne, Belgium
Joseph Akerman, Germany
Friends Alexander, United States (NSA)
Roger Altman, United States
Arapoglou, Greece (National Bank of Greece governor)
Ali Bampatzan, Turkey (Deputy Prime Minister responsible for economy)
Francisco Balsemao bidet, Portugal
Nicholas Bavarez, France
Franco Bernampe, Italy (Telecom Italia)
Xavie Bertran, France
Carl Bildt, Sweden (Secretary)
January Bgiorklount, Norway
Christoph Blocher, Switzerland
Alexander Bompar, France,
Boten Anna, Spain
Henri de Kastios, France
Juan-Luis Themprian, Spain
Clark Edmunds, Canada
Kenneth Clarke, Great Britain (TD Bank Financial Group)
Luc Cohen, Belgium
George David, Greece
Richard Ntiarlav, Great Britain
Mario Dragan, Italy (Italia VANCA d)
Elntroup Anders, Denmark
John Elkan, Italy (Fiat SRA)
Thomas Enders, Germany (Airbus SAS)
Jose Entrekanales, Spain
Isintro phenomena casket, Spain
Naial Fergkiouson, United States (Harvard University)
Timothy Gaitner, United States (Minister of Finance)
Ntermot convergence, Ireland (AIV Group)
Donald Graham, United States (Washington Post Company)
Victor Chalmperstant, Netherlands (Leiden University)
Ernst hirsh Ballin, Netherlands
Richard Holbrooke, the U.S. (Obama’s special envoy for Afghanistan and Pakistan)
Jaap De Hoop Scheffer, Netherlands (CC NATO)
James Jones, the U.S. (National Security Advisor to the White House)
Vernon Jordan, United States
Robert Keigkan, United States
Girki Katainen, Finland
John profit Britain (Royal Dutch Shell)
Mustafa Kots, Turkey (Group Kots)
Roland GT, Germany
Sami Cohen, Turkey (Journalist)
Henry Kissinger, United States
Marie Zose Ktavis, United States (Iudson Institute)
Neli Kroes, the Netherlands (European Commissioner for Competition)
Odysseas Kyriakopoulos, Greece (Group S & B)
Manuela Fereira mode, Portugal (PSD)
Bernarntino Leon, Spain
Jessica Matthews, United States
Philip Meis Tant (EIB)
Frank MakKena, Canada (TD Bank Financial Group)
John Mikelthgoueit, Great Britain (journalists, The Economist)
Tieri Montmprian de France (Franse Instituut) Tieri Montmprian de France (French Institute)
Mario Monti, Italy (University Louitzi Bokoni)
Angela Miguel Moratinos, Spain (Minister of Foreign Affairs)
Craig dirty, U.S. (Microsoft)
Egkil Miklempast, Norway
Mathias A, Germany
Olive Denis, France (Le Nouvel Observateur)
Frederick Ountea, France (Societe Generale)
Avg Ozntemir, Germany (Green Party)
Tomazo Pantoa-Siopa, Italy
Papalexopoulos Dimitris, Greece (Titan)
Richard Pearl, United States (Αmerican Enterprise Institute)
David Petreous, United States (head of the Central Administration of the U.S. Armed Forces)
Pint Manuel, Minister of Finance of Portugal
Robert Pritsarnt, Canada (Totstar Corporation)
Romano Prodi, Italy (former Italian Prime Minister)
Heather Raisman, Canada (Indigo Vooks & Music Inc.).
Eivint Reitan, Norway
Michael Rintzier, Czech Republic
David Rockefeller, U.S.
Dennis Ross, United States
Ruby Barnet, United States
Alberto Rouith-Gkalarthon, Spain
Susan Sampantzi Ntintzer, Turkey
Ιntira Samarasekera, Canada
Rountol Solten, Austria
Jürgen Stemp, Germany
Pedro Solbes Mira, Spain (Ministry of Finance)
Sampatzi Saraz, Turkey (banker)
Sanata Seketa, Canada (University of Canada)
Samer Lawrence, United States
Peter Sutherland, Ireland
Martin Taylor, UK
Peter Thiel, USA
Agan Ourgkout, Turkey
Eye Vanchanen, Finland, (Prime Minister)
Daniel Vazela, Switzerland,
Jeroen van der Veer, Netherlands
Guy Verhofstadt, Belgium (ex-Prime Minister)
Paul Volker, the U.S.
Jacob Valenmpergk, Sweden
Marcus Valenmpergk, Sweden
Nout Wellink, the Netherlands
Viser Hans, Netherlands
Martin Wolf, Great Britain (Financial Times Journalist)
James Wolfensohn, United States (the former World Bank President)
Paul Wolfowitz, United States
Fareed Zakaria, United States (Analyst Journalist, Newsweek)
Robert Zoellick, United States (President World Bank)
Dora Bakoyannis, Greece (Minister of Foreign Affairs)
Anna Diamantopoulou, Greece (PASOK MP)
Papathanasiou, Greece (Minister of Finance)
Alogoskoufis, Greece (former Minister)
David, Greece (businessman, president of Coca-Cola 3E)

OneofOne · 05-18-2009, 04:26 PM

I'm failing to see the issue here? There's a bunch of people that get together to discuss how best to manage their countries interactions with each other, or affairs that affect several or all of them. Do I have this right? And you are upset that the local Taco Bell manager and the guy down the street that tries to piss on you when you don't drop coins in his jar weren't invited? You are also worried that their was no media coverage of discussions, even though we know once you bring a camera into a room any real conversation is over as the game of CYA begins because people like you will blog the next day about the REAL meaning of them wearing a blue striped tie.

Relax and go back to watching The Lone Gunman reruns werein lies the truth about JFK's death, if only you watch it enough times.

Quineloe · 05-18-2009, 04:33 PM

not be perfect is an understatement

Joseph Akerman, Germany

Josef Ackermann is probably known as the CEO of Deutsche Bank and Germany's most famous white-collar criminal.

Thomas Enders, Germany (Airbus SAS)
He's quite new to the whole CEO business

Roland GT, Germany
what the fuck is that?

Mathias A, Germany
Huh?

Avg Ozntemir, Germany (Green Party)
Cem Özdemir maybe? completly irrelevant politician of the opposition who has never held any office.

So Germany is represented by exactly one person that isn't a complete or somewhat of a nobody. One who is already eyed very critically both by politicians and the public.

two of them have very little if any power and the last two can't even be recognized. As a matter of fact, there are only two Rolands which mean anything to me right now (Berger and Koch) with one being an already retired businessman and the other a state level politician. Neither really qualifies. Neither makes sense with "GT" too.

So in conclusion, only Ackermann would have reason to be there and I don't see any reason why the other "named" people would be there.

I'm pretty sure other posters on this forum would come to the same conclusion if they analyzed the people supposed representing their country there.

04-03-2009, 06:10 AM	#3 (permalink)
Elerion My milkshake Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,094 +6 Internets	What the fuck, those dastardly devils hosted events were participants were encouraged, nay, FORCED to defend their political position? You're right, I better go get ready for the apocalypse. By the way, I hear these guys have admitted to creating everything from mayors up to US Presidents in much the same way: Attached Images Last edited by Elerion; 04-03-2009 at 06:13 AM..

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Kugbok_Fennin Winning hearts and minds Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Orange County, CA "Margaritaville" Posts: 1,264	Well for starters it is illegal for any US Govt official to meet with any other head of state from another country without congressional approval. Bilderberg meets once per year in either Europe, Canada, or the US. It's now admitted that world affairs and policy are discussed and decisions are made that effect citizens of this country and others around the world. Only attendees are allowed to discuss what takes place at the meetings, and the "non-elite" are not allowed to know what is discussed and decided on. This isn't a continental congress, these people are not working for the good of the world, they are working for the good of themselves and how to shape their New World Order. No one finds it disturbing that a small group of very rich and powerful people meet for three days a year and set world policy that we are not allowed to know about? __________________ Senator Sanders: "Will you tell the American people to whom you lent $2.2 trillion of their dollars?" Fed Chairman Bernanke: "No"

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04-02-2009, 11:29 PM	#2 (permalink)
Screamfeeder I MAEK ART!! Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2,933 +170 Internets	Did you guys know that a large group of power-brokers met together to discuss the unification of many separate entities and place them under the umbrella of a larger group and in doing so they created a system of currency that was shared once the unification was complete? Who was the Continental Congress really working for? I even sorta agree with your strange ideas about whatever vague, spooky position you're taking this week, but you sure come off like a goddamn moonbat sometimes.

04-03-2009, 08:30 AM	#5 (permalink)
chaos Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: NoVa Posts: 7,162 +29 Internets	The words "highly unlikely" come to mind.

04-03-2009, 08:54 AM	#6 (permalink)
Elerion My milkshake Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,094 +6 Internets	Just because I'm bored, I'll argue your points. - Assuming it's the case that US Govt officials can not meet with foreign heads of state without congressional approval: do you believe that this has happened (without approval)? Can you list any cases? Can you explain why no one has addressed that point officially? I found multiple full, believable attendee lists in 30 seconds of googling - that would be extremely easy and efficient ammunition for an opposition senator to use, or the main stream press for that matter. - Where is it admitted that decisions are made? I've seen no such thing. - How do you know the motivations of the participants? They span across very different political and social backgrounds and geographies. In the 4 lists I looked at, I saw 2 people I know personally. This is not some unapproachable elite. - While I understand that the secrecy can certainly inspire speculation, do you understand the official reasoning for why the discussion is kept secret? Do you understand at all the possible value in such a reasoning for promoting open discussion?

04-03-2009, 02:24 PM	#9 (permalink)
prescient63 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,920 -42 Internets	Jesus people do not feed the psychoses.

04-03-2009, 09:02 PM	#11 (permalink)
Soriak Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 5,835 +54 Internets	Things get done only behind closed doors. As soon as you bring in the media, everyone has to get on their soapbox and you're just wasting time. Just turn on C-SPAN... does anyone actually believe the discussions and negotiations happen in front of a camera? You get some hysterical quotes, but I'm sure Congress would be more productive without it. All those idiots taking up time to cheer on their local sports team probably wouldn't do it if it didn't air on TV and get them free coverage.

04-04-2009, 01:19 AM	#12 (permalink)
Tuco Forum Janitor Join Date: May 2002 Location: Detroit Posts: 10,723 +75 Internets	I'm glad that our world's leaders can meet behind closed doors. Only when their motivations go against the common man's well being do I get concerned. It is in the people that profit from war that I worry and the G20 summit does not reek of this.

05-18-2009, 04:26 PM	#14 (permalink)
OneofOne Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 924	I'm failing to see the issue here? There's a bunch of people that get together to discuss how best to manage their countries interactions with each other, or affairs that affect several or all of them. Do I have this right? And you are upset that the local Taco Bell manager and the guy down the street that tries to piss on you when you don't drop coins in his jar weren't invited? You are also worried that their was no media coverage of discussions, even though we know once you bring a camera into a room any real conversation is over as the game of CYA begins because people like you will blog the next day about the REAL meaning of them wearing a blue striped tie. Relax and go back to watching The Lone Gunman reruns werein lies the truth about JFK's death, if only you watch it enough times.

05-18-2009, 04:33 PM	#15 (permalink)
Quineloe Hard Rock Hallelujah Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,617	not be perfect is an understatement Joseph Akerman, Germany Josef Ackermann is probably known as the CEO of Deutsche Bank and Germany's most famous white-collar criminal. Thomas Enders, Germany (Airbus SAS) He's quite new to the whole CEO business Roland GT, Germany what the fuck is that? Mathias A, Germany Huh? Avg Ozntemir, Germany (Green Party) Cem Özdemir maybe? completly irrelevant politician of the opposition who has never held any office. So Germany is represented by exactly one person that isn't a complete or somewhat of a nobody. One who is already eyed very critically both by politicians and the public. two of them have very little if any power and the last two can't even be recognized. As a matter of fact, there are only two Rolands which mean anything to me right now (Berger and Koch) with one being an already retired businessman and the other a state level politician. Neither really qualifies. Neither makes sense with "GT" too. So in conclusion, only Ackermann would have reason to be there and I don't see any reason why the other "named" people would be there. I'm pretty sure other posters on this forum would come to the same conclusion if they analyzed the people supposed representing their country there.