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Old 08-27-2007, 11:01 AM   #1507 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Twobit Whore View Post
27 classes isn't enough? You are fucking crazy. There are 4 roles that need to be performed in an MMO. Tanking, healing, damaging and controlling. Some of these roles can be performed by one class at the same time. When you have too many classes you have overlap and redundancies. The only thing that varies is a spell name and some particle effects. It makes it much more difficult to balance because you have multiple classes filling the same role and you have to make them different but equal. It's a nightmare. No class can feel special because there are 4 other classes that do the same thing in basically the same way.
You are not a special and unique snowflake Bob. Special and unique snowflakes are what causes all the fucking problems with class balance in the first place.

Every class should be a hybrid and if designed properly, no they don't do the same things in the same way.

You can have Tank/CC, Tank/Buff, Tank/Debuff, Tank/Pet, Tank/Arcane DPS, Tank/Melee DPS and Tank/Healers

All six can tank, but all six work in groups in different ways. Lets give them names Inquisitor, Paladin, Shadow Knight, Beastlord, Chaos Knight, Barbarian, and Cleric. The only thing they have to be "equal" in is in their ability to tank generic mobs (i.e. all tanks wear plate and can use shields, all have similiar taunt abilities). They are already different by the fact their second attribute set comes from a different archetype (and yes 2bit there are more than 4 archetypes in MMO). There is only one class that can Taunt and Heal (Cleric) only one class that can Taunt and has a Pet (Beastlord) etc.

People like variety -- if there is one running complaint about WoW -- even by people who still like and play the game it is that there aren't enough classes. The only, and I mean only, game where people bitch about two many classes is EQ2 -- and that's because, AFICT, they didn't run the hybrid matrix correctly when they initialy setup the classes. So yes, people will feel special with their Shadow Knight as compared to a Beastlord or Cleric or etc. And vice-versa. Probably much more special (which seems to be important to you) then they would as Shadow-spec Priest #501.

And for fuck's sake -- I didn't say 27 classes wasn't enough I said that WoW's talent trees made, in effect, 27 classes. You were bitching that it was impossible to balance 27 classes (the number on non-degenerate classes in my list) I just think they fucked up on the talent tree choices as they generally have one "pure" talent tree (e.g. healing tree for priests, prot for warriros) and two hybrid trees.

Developers need to learn that balance isn't possible between pure classes and hybrids. The best solution is to just make every fucking class a hybrid.

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Oh and you're fucking wrong on races too. Races do matter. And mo' variety is mo' better. Raki were $$$. Hell even I would return to WoW if they ever made Pandaren a playable race. And for any fucking mangina that is about to make a yiff comment you can go fuck yourself.
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