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Originally Posted by Calamity  So so far Mille shot down about 70 of your arguments to your maybe 1. Way to fucking go dude, pat yourself on teh back. You still havent responded to any of her points |
I'm not here to respond to any of her points. She tries to box this argument a 2 front science/religion war which it isn't. I don't play the sides game. My arguments have nothing to do with religion.
So far I've educated this thread by
1) Making people aware of naturalism/skepticism. Skepticism is an ally that should be at the side of any person anywhere. When scientists claim a process that can be viewed today occurred millions of years ago and is the one and only explanation for how humans came into being when scientists admit they don't even have a proper grasp of how time works, nor were any of them there, being skeptical is perfectly fucking normal/rational for anyone who can think for themselves.
2) Pointing out that problems with the American education system has nothing to do with evolution. I spent a year being a substitute teacher awhile back, across many school districts, kids in urban school systems are not given basic thinking skills, period. The majority cannot solve problems on their own, even at 12th grade. When you take a look at their lesson plan books, these tactics NEVER evolve beyond modeling. As I walk into Target 3 years later, and it takes 4 red shirts, a manager, and 30 minutes to get a lawn sprinkler exchanged, I see things haven't changed one bit.
3) Making clear that every 'begging the question' is a circular argument. The only minor technical difference is circular argument usually refers to a two step argument (1 premise which is usually the conclusion reworded and 1 conclusion), while begging the question can involve multiple steps. (multiple premises where 1 of them mirrors the conclusion, and a conclusion.) The reason for the fallacy hasn't changed.
I've contributed a ton to this thread. People who are interested in thinking for themselves and are curious how people know anything, should pick up a general world philosophy book and go from there.
It'll rank up there as one of the best time investments you ever do.