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Originally Posted by Maxxius  You know Duppin there is a big difference between dialog and manipulation. Brad was trying to manipulate this board to hawk his game. He wasn't trying to actually develop any dialog with the readers. If the lesson learned is don't try to con us here then good. But if you think it is more important to have these "important" developers post on this forum, regardless of content, well that is silly. |
Later? Absolutely.
Early on, Brad attempted to have real conversations with folks regarding a game that he was excited about, and that yes, he wanted them to get excited about too.
Now, he always gave me the "traveling snake oil salesman" vibe a bit, too, but early on I really think he was trying to have a good back and forth with hardcore gamers that he could, yes, then use to try to make his game better.
He gave up, I think, when it was clear that he was going to be attacked, often on a really personal and staggeringly inappropriate level, no matter what he posted. That's when he started posting what basically amounted to marketing fluff, and while Brad is culpable for many things in the demise of Vanguard (particularly if the part about him not having even shown up in the office for the last six months is really true, what the hell is that?), I don't blame him, at all, for giving up on this board.
This board USED to have far more value than it does now, because while the people here were cynical, jaded gamers, and would call you out if all you posted was bullshit, the USERS were also held responsible for what they posted here, and got the smackdown from Furor/TBH if they got out of line.
Once that went away, the inmates were essentially running the asylum, and that was the beginning of the end.
edit because I was posting a book and some things were said in the meantime:
Yeah, some of us who were "opposing" Utnayan (and his 'crew', but I'll simplify for the sake of discussion) went too far sometimes; I'd argue that we didn't go as over the top as he did, but obviously opinions vary about that. But I never understood why it was "okay" with people that he call out Brad for posting things he didn't agree with, but it wasn't okay to call HIM out for posting things that we didn't agree with? Why was there only a "problem" when people started trying to get him to stop repeating the same shit ad nauseam?
Regardless, that's water under the bridge now, and I'm willing to take responsibility for, and yes even apologize for my part in it. I just want people to be cognizant of the fact that you can still disagree with someone in a CIVIL manner, and that if you want to encourage devs to be willing to talk candidly with the community of this board about their games, you have to extend them that basic level of civility, even if you might not feel that they've earned it.
