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Old 01-06-2003, 03:48 PM   #12 (permalink)
Genado
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Youre wrong...

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A few things
32 mana is Not improved by "twisting" it. Therefore, you are not talking about being relegated to pushing one key over and over again--do so if you must, but the same effect would be acheived by just letting the song play, uninterrupted by other songs while you stand Right next to the cleric.
Did you read My post? You are wrong sir..It IS made effective by twisting it....doubly so. The level 32 Song has no icon. When you cast the level 32 song, you wait 3 seconds, and with max Modifers it gives 27 mana...in 3 seconds, hit it again another 27 mana, it Pulses, every time you get the your mind clears message you get the mana, Twisting it makes it doubly effective Thats 54 Mana in 6 seconds! 54 Mana in 1 tick! Yes if your using Amplification, You have to refresh it 1 in 10 presses, that brings it down to 49 mana/tick. Do any higher level song even come CLOSE to that? Nope not by a longshot
When youre constantly Asked on raids to "play 32 mana" theres a Reason for it, becuase its overpowered as hell. Need I remind you THIS IS OUR ONLY MANASONG AFFECTED BY MODIFIERS, The 34 song isnt...the 55 song isnt, the 58 one isnt not the 62 or 64 songs either. And Our higher level songs also dont "pulse" like the 32 song does, when the icons there you only get the mana every tick, no matter if you can play it 12 times in 6 seconds. Thats why this song scales in power to Be Better Than its Higher level counterparts. As it stands Now bards are the new Mod rods, becuase of an oversight, it needs to be fixed, becuase the unlimited mana trick from bards.

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and second our songs are supposed to scale up in usefulness over time.
Yes they are, but over time you also get NEW SPELLS tht are an upgrade over old ones, and they are supposed to scale way better than the old ones. The problem currently is is that the new songs are Inferior to the old one, while ou recieve an upgrade you accually recieve a downgrade, Like I said this wasnt Wholly true before luclin. But AA Abilities Has made the song WAY too out of whack to be Completely Superiror to any upgrade we got.

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Bitching about a level 32 song that rocked at level 32 scaling up for bards to rock at level 65 ignores the fact that bard songs are supposed to scale. Look at elemental rhythms. That song is level 9, and guess what? It scales up so it's often the resist song of choice up to level 63 (or its aoe version). Amplification itself is a level 30 song. I'm personally disappointed that there aren't more songs in the bard lineup that scale up instead of them giving us a newer version of the same old haste song every couple of levels.
This is a very poor example. First off Psalm of Veeshan, a level 63 song OWNS Elemental Rythms and any other resist or psalm song before it. Psalm of Veeshan is a Proper scaled upgrade to our other resist songs, as it reaplces all others except for the AE ones. And even then Psalm gives superior resists across the board as its group only. And it should be this way. AE resists are very good and are meant to provide a solid resist number for the groups that dont have a bard. Notice the difference.
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On top of that bards are supposed to be able to fill multiple roles pretty well. Who cares if you're put in the mana group on a raid? How much different is that from being the resist buffer or atk/haste buffer or the person doing oos? It's not like the case of mages where mana was bar none the most efficient place to put them and it afforded unlimited mana. Except in very specific fights, you're not going to see bard resists, atk/haste, etc completely ditched so that all the bards are to just sing mana
You totally missed the mark here, In fact ALL raiding bards can now Do Atk/Haste, Focus song for nuking. And on top of that you can assign each bard Either resists, mana, or OCCer, We can do ALL of that at one time. So why should we be relegated to only doing 1 thing with a song thats level 32.

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I haven't done any actual testing to see if this provides clerics the ability to nonstop CH, so I won't comment on that.
Ill save you the testing, with the appropriate gear and buffs and 3 Bards, yes you can have 4 clerics chain cast CH and Never go OOM. Is that Not overpowered?

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On top of all that, not that most higher levels give a rats arse about the lower levels, but back in the days of raiding at that level before MGB, before most people had group versions of all their buffs, and before every cleric had a clicker, being able to put a couple of bards in a group to speed up the buff process or CR saved hours of time, so making it not stack with itself should be weighed against that.
This wasnt An issue In Kunark, In kunark this song wasnt overpowered...it scaled properly as there was no singing bonus except for the epic, the 55 song was fine. No this wasnt an issue.

In Velious the Mod rod was born, So people used that for mana and Buffing. And again this song wasnt overpowered and bards we never really used for that. And we still only had our epic.

In Luclin we had God rods. Talk about trivializiing the buffing and CR process, and every encounter as well. However our 32 song became overpowered here, But becuase of mod rods, we were never called on to be mana bots, becuase thats what we had mages for. It sucked for the mage, and now it sucks for bards

In PoP The rods were gone. Bards are the new Mod rods. With these assrape Zerg encounters in PoP ive been called on a Lot to be a mana battery to squeeze out some extra mana. 2 bards in a group is the most efficient healing or nuking out there. Its more efficent for 2 bards to be in a group of 4 wizards singing 32 mana for Nuking than it is for 1 bard to be in a group of 5 wizards playing rizlona's for the focus effect. I dont have my l33t thottbot graphs to prove it, but try it out and youll see.
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