| Enough is Enough, bard mana Needs to be nerfed NOW! Edit for Terminology: All Bard songs are based on a skill. Much Like swords are 1H slash Bard songs have thier own skill. Singing, Percussion, Stringed, Brass, and Wind. So If a Percussion song added 20 Str, it would add 20 Str Played regular, if youre using a Percussion instrument that has a 2.0 Mod. it means it doubles what you get from the song. So if the song has 20 Str when you use the instruemnt it makes it 40 str. Thats how bard bonuses work And thats tied into the essay below.......
Onto the Post.........
This has gotten to the point now where its ridicoulous and overpowered. As it stands now with singing Modifiers The level 32 bard mana song can More than DOUBLE the Mana output of our LEVEL 64 AE song. To make matters worse, this song stacks on top of itself. So 2 bards in the same group with 4 casters gives out an INSANE amount of regen. And this STACKS with chorus. So Instead of bards being relegated to using thier great new PoP Abilities, we are relegated to "Twisting" A LEVEL 32 song Over and over and over again for clerics. I thought we wanted to get Away from unlimited mana pools?
Now, having said that and looking at the data, I feel this is just a huge oversight on verants part, Becuase up until Luclin the level 32 Manasong was fine, becuase it was singing based. And Up until Luclin All we had to increase singing songs was our epic. While the epic put 32 Mana Slightly Out of Balance because of how it Pulses, it wasnt THAT much better, Because if you pulsed 32 mana, you couldnt play anything else. If you did it would just be more efficent to play the level 55 song which did 13 Mana/tick.
I would also like to Note that the 55 song was made String, and not singing like the 32 song, And the mana regen component was intentionally not able to be modified by string bonuses you can get With a lute, which at the time, was a MUCH higher bonus than you could get singing.
And then Luclin came out. At level 30 We got Amplification, which totally Blew 32 Mana out of Whack. Add singing Mastery it gets even more out of whack. At level 58 We get An AE manasong, meant to cut down on the amount of bards needed to play mana, So we can focus on other things, Good Idea, But yet again the mana regen component was Intentionally made to not go up with Instrument Modifiers. So why should 32 mana be any different? At level 60 With amplification And Singing Mastery a bard can put Almost FOUR TIMES the mana with the level 32 song, than we can with our level 58 song. Not to mention Since this level 32 song has No icon It stacks on itself, meaning 2 bards in the same group can put out 7 times the amount of mana Chorus does. Clearly, level 32 should not be as good as it gets for bards as far as mana regen goes.
On to PoP. We get new Mana regen songs (Wind And Chorus of Marr). Now were up to 21 mana/tick. Thats scaled properly compared to our previous levels, but again the Mana component is Unaffected by Instrument modifers. And Ayonae's Tutelage Raises the singing cap, which means That yes Amazingly, our level 32 song has gotten better too! with max Modifiers the 32 song can now do 54/tick, Which Stacks With Chorus And is Still a healthy 2.5 times what Chorus And Wind of Marr Can do. This is just not right, Level 32 should not be as good as it gets. The level 32 song needs to be scaled Properly with the other songs....
Here's My idea to fix the Problem with the level 32 song.
1)Make it Unnaffected By Singing modifiers, like the Stringed songs cant be affected already. The 32 song wasnt overpowered until Luclin gave us high singing Modifiers. While this helped out a good number of high level songs, It threw 32 mana out of Whack. This needs to be fixed, This is the exact same problem Clerics Have with CH, where it wasnt overpowered when they got it, but new power gains made it a blatantly overpowered spell. You fixed CH, Now fix this.
2)Give 32 Mana an icon, and make it unstackable with other bard mana regen songs, like our other ones do. This will make 32 mana Twistable in a normal twist, which makes it more useful for its level, And gives a small boost in power thats needed at the mid levels, while Not making this the end all be all Song at High levels.
As we all know its very bad to have unlimited mana pools. We saw What happened with luclin and mod Rods. Mod Rods got thier Nerf, time to fix this one too.
Thoughts?
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Genado Ginsinger
65'th Maestro of Tarew Marr My Magelo
Last edited by Genado : 01-06-2003 at 01:43 PM.
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