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Originally Posted by tad10  Let me assure you that this is a fight you can not win. But since you want to be bent into a pretzel anyway.
You say
(1) Rationality is the employment of reason, which is inference and deduction through logic an empirical evidence.
(2) Faith is belief without logical proof or empirical evidence.
(3) Therefore Faith is not rational.
I think we can all agree that I have put your argument as fairly as possible -- using your own words -- merely rearranging them into the syllogism you were using.
I'm going to ignore Pascal's Wager as a rebuttal.
I'm also going to ignore the "benefit here and now regardless of the hereafter" rebuttal.
I just want to point out the flaws in your argument:
Statements (1) and (2) are exactly the kind of flawed logic that I'm talking about.
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Umm, did you not just do what your accusing him of doing? Adding more stuff to twist it into your point? He didnt mention the existance of god, or whether or not god can be proved, he simply stated that faith is illogical by definition.
Literally. Here is the definition of faith, provided by dictionary.com
2. belief that is not based on proof:
3. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence
Faith, BY definition, is illogical. Nowhere does it say that faith cannot be proved, just that to have faith, you dont need to prove it. And since faith is not based on logic, it is not bounded by logic.
Lastly, how is asserting in a proof that god exists/does not exist cheating? Isnt that how you prove or disprove things, by first making an assumption. Proof by contradiction and all that jazz?