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Celebrindal · 11-17-2006, 12:35 AM

I am writing this guide as a reference point for the people on FOH, so those who have not had a chance to play the game (but want to), can get a little jump. I know when I started playing a couple months ago, I spent a damn long time reading and researching everything I could find out about the game.

The truth is, it is not too late to start playing EVE. The people who have been playing for years do have a lot of skills, but that means they are proficient in flying many different things. It will only take you a few months to get really efficient in flying one type of ship, in which you could very much possibly own the older character.

Don't forget to join the in-game channel FOH.

Let's start on Character Creation. **Update** Revelations has made my character creation guide obsolete.

Please use this guide as a reference to creating a new REVELATIONS character with 800k+ sp.

Okay, now that you've made your character, you will want to do the Tutorial. Be warned though, it is boring as hell. I tried to introduce my brother to the game and because he was not ready to spend the time on actually learning the game through the tutorial, he never bothered to continue playing. I really recommend you doing the tutorial once though, it helps grasp the basic knowledge of the game.

After you finish your tutorial, start doing a few Agent missions. This will be the most efficient way for you to make money at this time. You will need the money (ISK /credits) to buy skillbooks and upgrade your ship/modules.

Video guide to finding Agents in space

Skills

You start out with a base set of skills, but you are going to need more. You will find Skill Books in the market. You don't need to buy everything, because it's impossible to train everything, especially at this point because a lot of skills have prerequisites. Learning skills are important for whatever you choose to do in the game, because it raises your attributes, which means you train faster. Days faster eventually. It sucks to train them, because you feel like you get nothing accomplished in training them, because you don't get to use a shiny new turret or shoot harder etc. But, if you are going to play this game for more than 6 months, you will fall behind in skillpoints and lose a lot of time in training skills you could've trained faster if you started your learning skills early.

You don't have to do them all now, that's actually inefficient to a new player, because you will want to have some sort of fighting power before you get bogged down upping your attributes. I would suggest taking the basic learning skills to 3 as soon as possible, 4 in the next 2 weeks. This is the most efficient route to train your learning skills:

Instant Recall(memory) 1
Analytical Mind(intelligence) 1
Learning(all stats 2%) 1

Repeat that same order until lvl 4. I recommend not training Learning to level 5, ever, because it's not an efficient boost in attributes for it's time. After you train those to 3 or 4, train Iron Will(willpower) and Spatial Awareness(perception) to 3 or 4. These skillbooks can be expensive, so you might have to save up a little before buying them all at the same time. Stick with buying the first 3 mentioned, if you can.

*Update* - You now only have to train your learning skills to level IV before being able to train the advanced version of that skill. That will make training your learning skills more efficient, because you will have an extra +4 to your attributes before you train the Level one skill to lvl V.

The downside to playing EVE can be training skills. You cannot queue up your skills and just let them train, you have to manually train a new skill by logging in the game. This can suck because you might not be home to train your skills and if your skill training is completed, and you aren't online to train a new skill, you will lose time and it will take longer to train. You actually have to use strategy in this, and you eventually mold your life around training skills. Haha, I know I do.

Don't train a 2 hour skill if you know you won't be on in 2 hours to train a new skill. It is important that you continuously train non-stop, or you just lose time. With my starter skill set, you will actually have 2 skills that you can continually train for quite a few days if you don't think you will be able to make it on in time to train a new skill.

Now, the best way to know when your skill is going to finish training, and to actually plan out how you want to train your skills, is a program called EVEMon.

This is a screenshot(F' mspaint) of the program. you can clearly see when my skill is going to be up, and I can plan accordingly to train my next skill.

Here is a list of skills that you really should have in your character sheet, that have no prerequisites:

Drones, Electronics, Engineering, Mechanic, Missile Launcher Operation, Navigation, Science, Social and Trade.

All of these can be bought through the market and you should buy them as soon as possible. You don't have to train them all right then and there, though. Here's a tip: After you buy a skill that you can train, but you don't want to start training it right now, right click the book and train it anyway.

After the skill is put into your Character sheet, you can go back to training whatever skill you wanted to train, by right clicking and training the old skill. It will ask you to abort the old one, and don't worry, you won't lose any skill points for aborting. Also, make sure you check your character sheet before you buy one of these new skills. You may already have one and therefore don't need to buy it.

After you get those basic skills to level I, II, or III, you unlock quite a few new skill books. I’ll go over a few of them that are useful to train early.

Electronics

Electronic Warfare (electronics I) – Operation of ECM/ECCM systems. 5% less cap need for ECM systems per skill level. This skill is the win of EVE at the moment. If you can out jam your enemy in pvp, they are basically dead. ECM jams your opponents targeting system, where he cannot target anything for 20 seconds.
Electronics – 5% bonus to CPU output per skill level. This is a crucial skill. The more CPU you have, the easier it is to get the best ship set up possible.
Propulsion Jamming (electronics III, navigation II) - The first thing you need if you want to start PVPing. With this skill, you can equip the scrambler and the webber mods.
Signature Analysis (electronics I) - -5% bonus to ship targeting speed per skill level. This skill, in my opinion, is very necessary in pvp. The faster you target them, the faster they go down, and lowers the chance of them getting away.

Engineering

Energy Systems Operation (engineering I) - This recharges your capacitor 5% faster per skill level. Your cap is very important to your survival. With no cap, you cannot shoot, warp and you’re basically a sitting duck.
Energy Management (engineering III) - This is 5% more total capacitor per skill level. The more cap you have, the bigger the amount you recharge per tick.
Engineering – 5% bonus to the Powercore power output per skill level. This is a crucial skill. This gives you more Power output, which means fitting your ship to the best possible setup. Don’t forget skills like this open up more skill trees when maxxed.
Shield Management (engineering III) - 5% bonus to shield capacity. Regardless of your ship, your shield is your first line of defense.
Shield Operation (engineering I) - 5% bonus to shield regen. Your shield recharges on its own, unlike your armor or hull hit points. Although there are mods that are the equivalent to armor repairers for shields.

Gunnery *note – if you are going to rely heavy on missiles, most of these skills are not as crucial.

Controlled Burst (gunnery II) - 5% reduction of weapon turret capacitor use per skill level. This skill is essential if you flying any ship that does not have projectile turrets on it. Your guns drain your cap and if you’re using other modules while fighting, your cap can take a serious hit. The less cap your guns use, the more opportunity you have to shoot things.
Gunnery – 2% bonus to weapon turret speed per level. This skill is important to max a little later on because it opens up certain mods and skills.
Motion Prediction (gunnery II) - 5% bonus to turret tracking speed. This skill is basically makes you aim better. I will go over tracking speed later in the guide
Rapid Firing (gunnery II) - 4% bonus to turret speed. This does the same thing your Gunnery skill does, makes you shoot faster.
Sharpshooter (gunnery II) - 5% bonus to turret optimal range. The farther your optimal range, the more distance you can put between you and your opponent, which can prove good. I will explain optimal range later in the guide.
Surgical Strike (gunnery IV) - 3% bonus to turret damage. More damage is self explanatory.
Weapon Upgrades (gunnery II)- 5% reduction of CPU use of turrets, launchers and smartbombs. This skill is crucial in being able to correctly fit your ship with the full amount of turrets and/or launchers. I really suggest getting this to III or IV as soon as you start upgrading to a better frigate.

Mechanic

Hull Upgrades (mechanic I) - 5% bonus to armor hit points per skill level. Get this skill to III or IV soon. Frigates are fragile ships and the more total hit points you have, the better you survive.
Mechanic – 5% bonus to hull hp per level. This skill isn’t that great by itself, because of the fact that if you’re into your hull hit points, you’re probably gonna die. But, this skill is a prerequisite to quite a few skills, and maxing it opens up the Tech 2 frigates, which are extremely fun to fly.
Repair Systems (mechanic I) - 5% reduction in repair systems duration. Regardless of the type of ship you use, this skill is useful. With an armor repairer mod, you can repair your ship in space, which is what armor tankers rely on, but also useful for not having to pay a repair bill in a station to fix your ship.

Missile Launcher Operation *note – if you are going to fly Gallente ships, training missiles is not necessary. However, it’s very necessary for Caldari.

Missile Bombardment (mlo I) – 10% bonus to missile maximum flight range. A good skill for letting you shoot your missiles farther.
Missile Launcher Operation – 2% bonus to missile launcher speed. This skill opens up larger launchers.
Missile Projection (mlo III) – 10% bonus to missile maximum velocity. This is how fast your missile travels to it’s target.
Rapid Launch (mlo II) – 3% bonus to missile launcher rate of fire. This lets you spit your shots out faster.
Target Navigation Prediction (mlo II) – 10% decrease in factor of target’s velocity. This helps hit your target more accurately. I will go into velocity later in the guide.
Rockets (mlo I) – 5% bonus to rocket damage per skill level. You cannot use ammo without the specific type of skill trained. Rockets are going to be your first missile skill to use on your frigate.
Standard Missiles (mlo II) – 5% bonus to light missile damage per skill level. You can fit a regular missile launcher onto your frig, and with that, you will need this skill for the ammo.

Navigation

Acceleration Control (navigation III) – 5% bonus to afterburner and microwarp drive(mwd) speed. For maxing your speed, this skill is useful
Afterburner (navigation I) – 10% bonus to afterburner duration. This is a crucial skill. The Afterburner is a module that is fitted to the ship which gives it a 100%-135% speed bonus.
Evasive Maneuvering (navigation II) – Makes the ship more agile. This means that you turn sharper and faster. When you get a bigger ship, you’ll see how bad the ship agility is.
Fuel Conservation (navigation II, afterburner II) – 10% reduction in afterburner capacitor needs. This is a useful skill, because if you are going to use your afterburner, you don’t want it sucking up your capacitor when you need it for other things.
High Speed Maneuvering (navigation IV, Afterburner IV) – Operation of Microwarp drives, 5% reduction in cap need per skill level. This skill is money. This is the upgrade to your afterburner, making you ship go 500-550% faster than normal. The downside to it is your ship size is larger, making you easier to hit, and the capacitor drainage is a lot more than your afterburner. It’s still a very useful skill.
Navigation – 5% bonus to ship max speed. Speed can be crucial in war. Especially if your ship is smaller. You need to out run your enemy’s guns.
Warp Drive Operation (navigation I) – -10% cap drain per level, while warping. This is good for smaller ships, because depending on the distance you are warping to, it helps to get there in one warp.

Science

Cybernetics (science III) – Allows use of cybernetic implants. Train this skill to level I. Implants can be very useful in reducing your training skill time.
Informorph Psychology – Train this to level I when you get a chance. Not very crucial, but when you join a corp or an alliance, this can be very very useful between jumping back and forth from 0.0 to Empire space.
Science – 5% bonus to blueprint copying speed. Get your Science to III for Cybernetics. This skill is more useful to the mining/production part of the game.

Social

Connections(social III) – 4% bonus to positive standing toward friendly NPC Corporations. This skill is useful if you know you’re going to be doing missions.
Diplomacy(social II) – 0.4 bonus to effective standing toward hostile agents. What this does is help you get missions to factions that you do not have a positive standing to. Usually missions from other races.
Social – 5% bonus to NPC standing increase. This skill is useful to those who want to dedicate to mission running. You can gain quite a lot of cash and reward through doing missions, and these skills help increase that gain.

Spaceship Command * It is important to note that each skill level you train in any ship class increases the innate bonuses of said ship.

Destroyers(sc III) – Skill at operating Destroyers. Once you get some cash under your belt, and want to breeze through level 1 missions, I would suggest training for a destroyer ship. They basically turn it into easy mode. I would only use these for level 1 missions, though.
Spaceship Command – 2% bonus to ship agility per skill level. This skill is useful in bettering your agility and it is a prerequisite to all ship flying skills. Getting it to IV soon is a good idea.

11-17-2006, 12:35 AM	#1 (permalink)
Celebrindal The Hunter Join Date: May 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 1,159 +6 Internets	[EVE] An FoH Guide I am writing this guide as a reference point for the people on FOH, so those who have not had a chance to play the game (but want to), can get a little jump. I know when I started playing a couple months ago, I spent a damn long time reading and researching everything I could find out about the game. The truth is, it is not too late to start playing EVE. The people who have been playing for years do have a lot of skills, but that means they are proficient in flying many different things. It will only take you a few months to get really efficient in flying one type of ship, in which you could very much possibly own the older character. Don't forget to join the in-game channel FOH. Let's start on Character Creation. Update Revelations has made my character creation guide obsolete. Please use this guide as a reference to creating a new REVELATIONS character with 800k+ sp. Okay, now that you've made your character, you will want to do the Tutorial. Be warned though, it is boring as hell. I tried to introduce my brother to the game and because he was not ready to spend the time on actually learning the game through the tutorial, he never bothered to continue playing. I really recommend you doing the tutorial once though, it helps grasp the basic knowledge of the game. After you finish your tutorial, start doing a few Agent missions. This will be the most efficient way for you to make money at this time. You will need the money (ISK /credits) to buy skillbooks and upgrade your ship/modules. Video guide to finding Agents in space Skills You start out with a base set of skills, but you are going to need more. You will find Skill Books in the market. You don't need to buy everything, because it's impossible to train everything, especially at this point because a lot of skills have prerequisites. Learning skills are important for whatever you choose to do in the game, because it raises your attributes, which means you train faster. Days faster eventually. It sucks to train them, because you feel like you get nothing accomplished in training them, because you don't get to use a shiny new turret or shoot harder etc. But, if you are going to play this game for more than 6 months, you will fall behind in skillpoints and lose a lot of time in training skills you could've trained faster if you started your learning skills early. You don't have to do them all now, that's actually inefficient to a new player, because you will want to have some sort of fighting power before you get bogged down upping your attributes. I would suggest taking the basic learning skills to 3 as soon as possible, 4 in the next 2 weeks. This is the most efficient route to train your learning skills: Instant Recall(memory) 1 Analytical Mind(intelligence) 1 Learning(all stats 2%) 1 Repeat that same order until lvl 4. I recommend not training Learning to level 5, ever, because it's not an efficient boost in attributes for it's time. After you train those to 3 or 4, train Iron Will(willpower) and Spatial Awareness(perception) to 3 or 4. These skillbooks can be expensive, so you might have to save up a little before buying them all at the same time. Stick with buying the first 3 mentioned, if you can. Update - You now only have to train your learning skills to level IV before being able to train the advanced version of that skill. That will make training your learning skills more efficient, because you will have an extra +4 to your attributes before you train the Level one skill to lvl V. The downside to playing EVE can be training skills. You cannot queue up your skills and just let them train, you have to manually train a new skill by logging in the game. This can suck because you might not be home to train your skills and if your skill training is completed, and you aren't online to train a new skill, you will lose time and it will take longer to train. You actually have to use strategy in this, and you eventually mold your life around training skills. Haha, I know I do. Don't train a 2 hour skill if you know you won't be on in 2 hours to train a new skill. It is important that you continuously train non-stop, or you just lose time. With my starter skill set, you will actually have 2 skills that you can continually train for quite a few days if you don't think you will be able to make it on in time to train a new skill. Now, the best way to know when your skill is going to finish training, and to actually plan out how you want to train your skills, is a program called EVEMon. This is a screenshot(F' mspaint) of the program. you can clearly see when my skill is going to be up, and I can plan accordingly to train my next skill. Here is a list of skills that you really should have in your character sheet, that have no prerequisites: Drones, Electronics, Engineering, Mechanic, Missile Launcher Operation, Navigation, Science, Social and Trade. All of these can be bought through the market and you should buy them as soon as possible. You don't have to train them all right then and there, though. Here's a tip: After you buy a skill that you can train, but you don't want to start training it right now, right click the book and train it anyway. After the skill is put into your Character sheet, you can go back to training whatever skill you wanted to train, by right clicking and training the old skill. It will ask you to abort the old one, and don't worry, you won't lose any skill points for aborting. Also, make sure you check your character sheet before you buy one of these new skills. You may already have one and therefore don't need to buy it. After you get those basic skills to level I, II, or III, you unlock quite a few new skill books. I’ll go over a few of them that are useful to train early. Electronics Electronic Warfare (electronics I) – Operation of ECM/ECCM systems. 5% less cap need for ECM systems per skill level. This skill is the win of EVE at the moment. If you can out jam your enemy in pvp, they are basically dead. ECM jams your opponents targeting system, where he cannot target anything for 20 seconds. Electronics – 5% bonus to CPU output per skill level. This is a crucial skill. The more CPU you have, the easier it is to get the best ship set up possible. Propulsion Jamming (electronics III, navigation II) - The first thing you need if you want to start PVPing. With this skill, you can equip the scrambler and the webber mods. Signature Analysis (electronics I) - -5% bonus to ship targeting speed per skill level. This skill, in my opinion, is very necessary in pvp. The faster you target them, the faster they go down, and lowers the chance of them getting away. Engineering Energy Systems Operation (engineering I) - This recharges your capacitor 5% faster per skill level. Your cap is very important to your survival. With no cap, you cannot shoot, warp and you’re basically a sitting duck. Energy Management (engineering III) - This is 5% more total capacitor per skill level. The more cap you have, the bigger the amount you recharge per tick. Engineering – 5% bonus to the Powercore power output per skill level. This is a crucial skill. This gives you more Power output, which means fitting your ship to the best possible setup. Don’t forget skills like this open up more skill trees when maxxed. Shield Management (engineering III) - 5% bonus to shield capacity. Regardless of your ship, your shield is your first line of defense. Shield Operation (engineering I) - 5% bonus to shield regen. Your shield recharges on its own, unlike your armor or hull hit points. Although there are mods that are the equivalent to armor repairers for shields. Gunnery note – if you are going to rely heavy on missiles, most of these skills are not as crucial. Controlled Burst (gunnery II) - 5% reduction of weapon turret capacitor use per skill level. This skill is essential if you flying any ship that does not have projectile turrets on it. Your guns drain your cap and if you’re using other modules while fighting, your cap can take a serious hit. The less cap your guns use, the more opportunity you have to shoot things. Gunnery – 2% bonus to weapon turret speed per level. This skill is important to max a little later on because it opens up certain mods and skills. Motion Prediction (gunnery II) - 5% bonus to turret tracking speed. This skill is basically makes you aim better. I will go over tracking speed later in the guide Rapid Firing (gunnery II) - 4% bonus to turret speed. This does the same thing your Gunnery skill does, makes you shoot faster. Sharpshooter (gunnery II) - 5% bonus to turret optimal range. The farther your optimal range, the more distance you can put between you and your opponent, which can prove good. I will explain optimal range later in the guide. Surgical Strike (gunnery IV) - 3% bonus to turret damage. More damage is self explanatory. Weapon Upgrades (gunnery II)- 5% reduction of CPU use of turrets, launchers and smartbombs. This skill is crucial in being able to correctly fit your ship with the full amount of turrets and/or launchers. I really suggest getting this to III or IV as soon as you start upgrading to a better frigate. Mechanic* Hull Upgrades (mechanic I) - 5% bonus to armor hit points per skill level. Get this skill to III or IV soon. Frigates are fragile ships and the more total hit points you have, the better you survive. Mechanic – 5% bonus to hull hp per level. This skill isn’t that great by itself, because of the fact that if you’re into your hull hit points, you’re probably gonna die. But, this skill is a prerequisite to quite a few skills, and maxing it opens up the Tech 2 frigates, which are extremely fun to fly. Repair Systems (mechanic I) - 5% reduction in repair systems duration. Regardless of the type of ship you use, this skill is useful. With an armor repairer mod, you can repair your ship in space, which is what armor tankers rely on, but also useful for not having to pay a repair bill in a station to fix your ship. Missile Launcher Operation note – if you are going to fly Gallente ships, training missiles is not necessary. However, it’s very necessary for Caldari. Missile Bombardment (mlo I) – 10% bonus to missile maximum flight range. A good skill for letting you shoot your missiles farther. Missile Launcher Operation – 2% bonus to missile launcher speed. This skill opens up larger launchers. Missile Projection (mlo III) – 10% bonus to missile maximum velocity. This is how fast your missile travels to it’s target. Rapid Launch (mlo II) – 3% bonus to missile launcher rate of fire. This lets you spit your shots out faster. Target Navigation Prediction (mlo II) – 10% decrease in factor of target’s velocity. This helps hit your target more accurately. I will go into velocity later in the guide. Rockets (mlo I) – 5% bonus to rocket damage per skill level. You cannot use ammo without the specific type of skill trained. Rockets are going to be your first missile skill to use on your frigate. Standard Missiles (mlo II) – 5% bonus to light missile damage per skill level. You can fit a regular missile launcher onto your frig, and with that, you will need this skill for the ammo. Navigation* Acceleration Control (navigation III) – 5% bonus to afterburner and microwarp drive(mwd) speed. For maxing your speed, this skill is useful Afterburner (navigation I) – 10% bonus to afterburner duration. This is a crucial skill. The Afterburner is a module that is fitted to the ship which gives it a 100%-135% speed bonus. Evasive Maneuvering (navigation II) – Makes the ship more agile. This means that you turn sharper and faster. When you get a bigger ship, you’ll see how bad the ship agility is. Fuel Conservation (navigation II, afterburner II) – 10% reduction in afterburner capacitor needs. This is a useful skill, because if you are going to use your afterburner, you don’t want it sucking up your capacitor when you need it for other things. High Speed Maneuvering (navigation IV, Afterburner IV) – Operation of Microwarp drives, 5% reduction in cap need per skill level. This skill is money. This is the upgrade to your afterburner, making you ship go 500-550% faster than normal. The downside to it is your ship size is larger, making you easier to hit, and the capacitor drainage is a lot more than your afterburner. It’s still a very useful skill. Navigation – 5% bonus to ship max speed. Speed can be crucial in war. Especially if your ship is smaller. You need to out run your enemy’s guns. Warp Drive Operation (navigation I) – -10% cap drain per level, while warping. This is good for smaller ships, because depending on the distance you are warping to, it helps to get there in one warp. Science Cybernetics (science III) – Allows use of cybernetic implants. Train this skill to level I. Implants can be very useful in reducing your training skill time. Informorph Psychology – Train this to level I when you get a chance. Not very crucial, but when you join a corp or an alliance, this can be very very useful between jumping back and forth from 0.0 to Empire space. Science – 5% bonus to blueprint copying speed. Get your Science to III for Cybernetics. This skill is more useful to the mining/production part of the game. Social Connections(social III) – 4% bonus to positive standing toward friendly NPC Corporations. This skill is useful if you know you’re going to be doing missions. Diplomacy(social II) – 0.4 bonus to effective standing toward hostile agents. What this does is help you get missions to factions that you do not have a positive standing to. Usually missions from other races. Social – 5% bonus to NPC standing increase. This skill is useful to those who want to dedicate to mission running. You can gain quite a lot of cash and reward through doing missions, and these skills help increase that gain. Spaceship Command * It is important to note that each skill level you train in any ship class increases the innate bonuses of said ship. Destroyers(sc III) – Skill at operating Destroyers. Once you get some cash under your belt, and want to breeze through level 1 missions, I would suggest training for a destroyer ship. They basically turn it into easy mode. I would only use these for level 1 missions, though. Spaceship Command – 2% bonus to ship agility per skill level. This skill is useful in bettering your agility and it is a prerequisite to all ship flying skills. Getting it to IV soon is a good idea. Last edited by Celebrindal : 12-07-2006 at 11:13 PM.