| Finally, a live version of ASoI&F thread.
Spoilers: I'm one of those who doesn't believe that Jon is the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna. It might end up being true in the end, but I just don't think it's true yet. Faltigoth does bring up a good point about them guarding the Tower of Joy so much, but it all comes down to whether or not Aerys put up with the 'abduction'. Remember, Rhaegar left Elia (his wife) and disappeared with Lyanna. Whether or not the Kingsguard would stand for this and guard Rhaegar regardless of him having run off with another woman and leaving his wife and children back at Kings Landing is beyond us at this point. It hasn't been said yet specifically how Lyanna died has it? I mean we know he found her in a bed of blood, clutching a wreath of flowers or something, and she told Ned the secret that haunted him for so long - I'm guessing we are to assume she died from childbirth?
How about 'black hand' who just took the Reed kids and Bran beyond the wall. I'm sooo thinking that is Benjen Stark or Benjen Stark reborn. One of the two. I'm almost certain that in A Game of Thrones, something is mentioned about Benjen having a black hand, but i'm not certain.
Cersei got exactly what she deserved. God I was just waiting for all that bad karma to come back and bite her on the ass. Some people think that Jaime's actions with the letter meant he isn't coming to save her, but I think otherwise. I don't think he's going to hang his sister out to dry just yet. Unless somehow the 'champion' guy that Cersei's latest Master of Whispers has (which is believed to be Gregor come back to life) can somehow save her ass, I don't see any other way for her to get out other than Jaime.
And the rumor that Sandor is still alive, and merely working as the gravedigger for the monestary/church place that Brianna passed thru...
It's been said by GRRM that "A Dance of Dragons" does not neccessarily mean that Dany will be making her charge into Westeros this book, but the only other time that "The Dance of Dragons" was mentioned, was the first big shitfest of House Targaryen - a civil war among siblings that happend due from a failed succession.
King Viserys had 3 children, 2 sons and a daughter. The sons died, so without a male heir, Viserys wanted to make the daughter Rhaenyra his heir. She was included in everything, and was being raised to be the heir. So Viserys remarries (A Hightower of all people) and she pops out 3 sons and a daughter, the oldest being named Aegon. After Viserys died, the Lord Commander of the Kingsguard pronounced Aegon as king instead of Rhaenyra. Both children had alot of people supporting them on both sides. For reasons undisclosed so far, Rhaenyra was put to death as a traitor at the hands of her brother Aegon II, who had her eaten by his dragon as her son Aegon, watched. Later still, Aegon II died, and was succeeded by his nephew, Rhaenyra's son, who would reign as Aegon III, also called Aegon Dragonbane.
How this can possibly relate or tie in with the current fucky succession going on i'm not sure, but still interesting. Maybe Edric Storm (the kid who was staying with Stannis on Dragonstone) will end up being the rallying point for the opposing forces to take back King's Landing? Who knows.
By the way, if you haven't read the 'Tyrion' preview that's on GRRM's website - do so. It's awesome.
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