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Originally Posted by Malakie Torsade Guess I am the only one who hated the RJ/Gen/Conc jumping cheese. I just always thought it was funny how people defended those things, saything they took so much skill to master, etc etc. I picked those things up easily and could use them efficiently, but it just wasn't a challenge/fun for me.
At any rate, they need to hurry up. :/ |
It was more then skill, it was strategy. It wasnt cheese because it came at a cost, namely your health and/or orientation. Do you stop and fight, or try to RJ away. You can take the "cheese" path, but you will be lower on health during your next encounter. Scouts could conc jump to gain even more speed, but it also made them wobble all over the place which made them have hard times running over small paths/up ramps.
Theres also a big difference between being able to RJ/conc, and being able to do it well. Pretty much anyone could conc jump from the bridge to nest in 2fort, or the bridge to the top of well6, but can you do it while 3 soldiers and a sniper are on you? Can you do it from the water so noone see's you? Can you adapt if it goes wrong?
I used to play RR on defense, and the scouts who simply tried to conc jump into the elevator by just dropping a gren and trying to time the jump were slaughtered. I'd here the gren hit, go stand by the door, and they would litterly just throw themselves at me. The scouts with skill would run me in circles, try to conc me, or distract me while their other scout friend ran in and conc jumped through from one of the paths to the RR. I'd try to stop that scout, but the other one who was distracting me would take that moment to run up the ramps, or do his own conc jump. For a good scout you could just never really tell what they were going to do.
BHing was the only thing I never liked, because it had no downside. It destroyed the set speeds for classes, so you could have a hwguy flying around like a scout, but with full body armor. I hope TF2 retains all the RJing and gren jumping, but leaves BHing out of it. Its fine in DM where theres no place your trying to get too, but in a team CTF game, its the definition of cheese.