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Originally Posted by Samflam

I know many guilds on my server are still working on MC and haven't killed Ragnaros. Or BWL and Nef. What you are saying simply is not a fact.

So you're betting that the percentage of guilds still working on MC nearly 2 years after it's release that haven't finished it significantly inflates the number of total people who have done the zone? It might increase it a couple percent, if you assume 1 in 10 are still working on it.

Originally Posted by Darkmyst

That was a number of months ago that he said that. Unless the subscriber base has grown by 25% since then it's almost certain those numbers have increased.

I'm sure you're familiar with a concept called turnover. People quit the game. New ones join. The 25% number was thrown out in May 2006. Unless he meant 25% of all players who have ever played the game, in which case the % can only go up - I find it likely to actually go down if you remove people who have quit the game and add in new players. Most of the raiding mentality people probably joined the game closer to it's inception. Since Tigole didn't qualify the number, we can only speculate. If you want to assume absolutely best case to make your point, you're welcome to it. It still doesn't look good.

The interesting thing about the number is that Tigole must have been proud of it, otherwise he wouldn't have said it. Clearly he thinks it's some kind of accomplishment that 25% of the playerbase has killed ragnaros. To me thats more amazing that any other revelation here.

Originally Posted by Darkmyst

Stand in Iron Forge or Orgrimar by the bank and randomly inspect 50 people. I promise you you'll MC or higher BoP epics on more than 1 in 4.

Standing by the bank is a bad way to do it. Raiders are bored with nothing to do between raids, they'll idle in front of the bank and a high % of them have epics.

Besides - I'm not concerned with who has 1 or 2 MC epics. My brother in law has gone to MC a total of 2 times, both on raids where 3/4 of the raid were alts. He got a couple of peices of nightslayer. He's absolutely not a raider, he hates raids. He just went because there was a good chance of getting something, and he's never gone again. Raiders will be fully decked in epics, like my hunter is. Unless of course you want to call anyone who has ever set foot in MC a raider. I don't.