[Etadanik]

Originally Posted by Torrid

No, you're whining about PvE speced raiders getting "owned" and the Alliance on your server sucking. And you're whining to the Horde they they should accept the population imbalance because they are apparently so much better players.

This is why you're almost not worth replying to. I'm "whining" because I pointed out that PvE specced raiders have a built-in talent disadvantage versus PvP specced chars? I'm "whining" because I point out ancedotal evidence wherein Horde beats Alliance despite higher populations on the Alliance side? I'm "whining" by arguing that world PvP should be implemented despite population imbalances on the PvE servers, because world PvP should only be implemented on PvP servers anyhow?

You don't seem to understand the definition of whining. Whining, with respect to a MMO, is what people do when they complain incessantly without having a real argument - like what you're doing now.

Because every server is like yours, right? Because PvP should only be remotely fair on PvP servers, right? Because the gap won't widen over time, right?

If a server is PvE, why should it have world PvP? People go to PvE servers to escape world PvP - weren't they the ones whining about ganking? But if Blizzard is really desperate to introduce world PvP to PvE servers, then they can build a separate ruleset for it to address the massive population imbalance - and why shouldn't they? The PvE servers were advertised for raiding; it's expected that they won't be balanced for PvP. On the other hand, world PvP has been going on in PvP servers for a long fucking time now and population imbalances are an insiginificant issue on these *PvP designated* servers. So if your beef is with the PvE servers - kindly remove yourself to that other thread discussing how shamans suck. I'm talking about world PvP - you know, the sort that PvE servers never had?

Do I have to explain to you why Thottbot data means jack shit?

Forget the data. Read the comments and follow the guilds. There's been far more kills of Alliance faction leaders than 2xKing Bronzebeard. Forgive us for not going after them more - after all, what would be the point after doing it once?

Regardless, thottbot lists three times as many kills for Thrall. But I suppose they are all from PvE server guilds? Wait, didn't you say PvE servers don't PvP?

They don't. Do you know how most faction leader raids happen? I'll tell you: they happen at night: three AM in the morning. No one of the other faction worth a damn is on. Then you attack, because that's pretty much your only hope of victory given how easy it is for people to grief a faction leader raid.

And personally, I think most of the faction leader kills are on PvE servers for a damn good reason - because on any server where you have parity faction ratios and a PvP-minded player base, raiding the other faction's home city is nigh fucking impossible. Reinforcements will pour out of Orgrimmar's asshole the moment you enter Durotar, and with flight paths so close for the other side, you might as well forget attacking the faction leaders at any SANE time.

And if you just wanted to lure the other side out, Tarren Mill works just fine.

So you can imagine why I don't give much thought to your idea that killing faction leaders = ZOMG PVP. I don't know any true PvP'er who really likes the idea of fighting a billion guards and DK mobs just so they can get harassed zero-risk by the other side. PvP'ers kill players, not mobs.

You mean your fact that PvP servers arn't nearly as imbalanced as normal ruleset servers? (the rest of that post was crying about the Alliance on your server) Wow, nobody had ever noticed that before! Thanks for clearing this mess up!

No problem. Seems like you, at least, were confused.

WoW lists them as "normal" instead of PvE for a reason. There are in fact plenty of people on those servers who PvP, believe it or not.

Then they chose the wrong fucking server and deserve all that's coming to them. PvP servers exist for a reason, and it's not so you can /point and /laugh at all the stupid PvP'ers while you enjoy all the benefits of both.

No, that comment was just to mock you.

Thanks. Remember all this started with my response to Itzena that 3:1 ratios for *PvE populations* won't lead to Alliance perma-dominating Horde in world PvP, and that the general line of arguments pursued by your supporters is to theorycraft 3 vs. 1 fights on those servers where it never happens, and to suggest that hardcore raiders are well specced for PvP (or even well geared, in certain cases like resto druids) when nearly every single class has different talent builds for PvE and PvP.