[Makata]

Originally Posted by Amahk

For the sake of not giving you a brain aneurism, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and agree that pvpers do spend more time per day ranking up and only a few of you all per week gain access to epic gear. I can speak for myself when I say my guild raids for 6 hours a day for at least 6 days a week. I'll totally ignore all the time spent farming gold for repairs/consumables(not many of us use consumables tbh)/travelling/EVERYTHING and just focus on raiding.

6 hours a day, 6 days a week, 40 people. That's 1440 man hours per week. My guild has warsongs running at least 14 hours a day. During prime time there's usually 2 sometimes 3 groups running. That's over 2000 man hours per week.

The key factor you seem to be forgetting is that this isn't a 3-4 month process for us.

It's not a 4 month process for us either. You can hit r14 in 3 months if you hit standing 1 every week. GL with that. You either pug 24 hours a day and your server hates you, or you join in with a group / pvp guild, and have to have your standing in check. It will take me a minimum of 6 months to hit r14 and that's me hitting my cap every single week. I'm fairly certain that in 6 months you can go from full greens just turned 60 to full t2 and working on naxx. So even if you just stop right there, you already have better gear and are in position to keep getting more.

Yes you may spend 14 hours a day for 4 months playing WoW however when you're done you get 8 epic pieces of armor(I assume you get your epic braces/belts from whichever instance you are exalted with) and cornucopia of epic weapons depending on your class and after this process using this 'retro' upgrade you reap the rewards for god knows how long, just upgrading your armor as Blizzard sees fit whenever a new PvE raid dungeon comes out.

First of all, you might want to double check epic belt. Because .. there is none. Also the mail bracers from WSG are garbage and the leather ones are fairly mediocre. Even the cloth and plate ones are no where close to as good as the current r12/13 set, which are in turn no where close to t2.

Though I'm curious, what do you think would be a better solution? Make you grind r14 twice? Never ever upgrade pvp gear? You see, when we hit r14, we're done. There's no more gear for us to get. You however, will continue to get upgrades. What are we supposed to do a year from now when our gear is utter shit? Accept Blizzard doesn't give a fuck about the pvp system and grudgingly join a pve guild?

And what adds insult to injury is that pvpers don't keep on pvping(from what I've experienced on our server). PvPers join PvE guilds and start raiding after they're done ranking up and then the pveers end up gearing you all up for raiding... and you still think retro upgrades are fair?

Even if this is true, which I'm dubious about, what is the problem? They just spend months and months and months achieving this one goal .. of being a High Warlord. Now they join your guild and .. bank every last fucking piece of it within a few weeks. If the pvp epic set isn't better than even fucking MC gear (and in many cases .. it isn't) what the hell is the purpose of having it?

However this all leaves one question unanswered: Why are YOU mad pvp gear is upgraded? It doesn't affect you in any possible way. These people don't raid with you. They aren't your friends. You never ever encounter them .. except in 1 place. The battlegrounds. And you'll pardon me if I don't feel sorry for you that PVP PLAYERS gear is better than PVE PLAYERS in a PVP SETTING. It damn well should be. If my team has been running pvp for months, you should have absolutely no chance to win the game whatsoever. Period.