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Originally Posted by Gauss

I don't have any issue with your post other than this statement. It takes *more* man-hours (yes that's people multiplied by hours invested) to get tier 2 sets than it does for a group of 10 individuals in a pvp group shooting for GM/HW to get their sets. Obviously one requires more *individual effort* than the other, but the person you quoted is technically correct, even if he is wrong from a more practical standpoint.

Again, you can't directly compare the PvE system with the PvP system. Yes, it requires 40 players to get those items, but that is the crux of the issue with PvP vs. PvE. PvE is all about co-operation. PvP is all about individual effort; competing and beating people of your own faction. That time investment NEVER goes down, and it can't be spread over 39 other people.

Also, like I mentioned, PvE time investment goes down over time. It might have taken 40 people x 10 hours = 400 man hours to clear MC the first couple times through, but later it is done in 32 people x 3 hours = 96 man hours. See how that works?
In PvP there is no such relief. There is nothing along the lines of "Oh gee, we cleared (insert PvE instance) ... time to take a few days off and spend with the wife and kids". Talk to anyone who made R14 and they will tell you that is what eats at you after a couple months. There is no letting up. It doesn't get easier, it only gets harder... to the point that when you are in your last week or 2 of PvP, most people take time off work so they can guarantee their standing and not derank right before the end of their journey.