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Originally Posted by Tancred  So I raid twice a week. But I still resent the "casual" tag. I play hard. I play often. We only got our act together a couple of months ago. Throw 10 "casuals" into ZA and see how they do. It won't be pretty but we are half way through learning it and have our Karazhan clears down to ~3 hours. Most of us study our classes, spec properly, and work hard to attain the best gear in each slot that's available at our raid-level. So fuck off with that casual shit k?
But now we've mastered Karazhan we have ZA to do. Then. . .nothing. Farming badges for T6-equiv loot sounds great but it's dull as hell. Give me 4 challenging 10-mans to progress through instead.
You seem all bent out of shape because you've decided that "everyone wins" and "casuals want free loots that are as good as 25man ones". It's a bullshit premise leading you to a bullshit argument. Yes, now, right at the very end of an expansion, time-limited players can choose to farm badgers and get some decent loots. You know why? So Blizzard doesn't have a balancing nightmare come WotLK. They can now balance it around a decent gear level for almost eveyone. Top T6 guilds will still blast through. The rest of us will have to go slower to get to the same point. |
Agreed. What's also amazing is this mentality that Etoille and I'm sure others feel that somehow 25-man raids by neccessity means more skill is involved than 10-man raids. Sure, the amount of coordination required is more, but not necessarily skill. The design just requires more man-power, and therefore more chances for things to fuck up.
But it's almost like saying somehow those 25 raiders are better than 10 raiders....like saying somehow the Army is better than the Marines, because the Army can go in to a country like Iraq and conquer the whole damn thing, while the Marines can only go in and take out situational targets or targets of opportunity. Still personally I think the Marines have more prestige than the Army. I would rather raid with 9 good buddies I trusted and were highly competent, the best at their class, than to raid with 24 buddies where maybe 20 were really good at their class and the other 4 were so-so.
And let's also not forget there is no true casual player that posts on the FoH forums. Almost all of us come from some hardcore playing background from EQ days, hence why we end up posting on here. So it's not like we suck at gaming suddenly because we no longer are involved with high-end raiding and 25-man content. A lot of us have grown older and no longer have the time commitment because of RL commitments. It doesn't mean we don't know how to play anymore. It means we are still playing MMOs because we enjoy them, and we would still like to experience content, and 10-man content is more accessible to us than 25-man content. Keep your Tier 8 loot that you will be getting out of the new content while we will be getting Tier 7 loot from the 10-man versions. Honestly, the only person that seems to care is people like Etoille.