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Old 05-07-2008, 12:19 PM   #813 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Asmadai View Post
Yeah...because the comparison of a hard drive to how we came into existence is equal?

I don't understand why the mindset here is that you are either Religious or Scientific, but you can't be both. If you are one, you must hate the other fervently. You cannot follow anything the opposing choice says.

I mean it's about as idiotic to say that as it would be for me to accuse you of picking and choosing parts of religion to follow, because you want to be good person and not steal, kill, etc.

What exactly does science have to do with moral superiority at all? What scientific breakthrough has done anything to the cause of morality? You created a new hard drive for my iPod, which took alot of work, so that is the long way to moral superiority? I'm not following you here...
Jesus H. Christ.

Okay first off, yes to science in many ways finding a way to make a better HD and learning the secrets of the universe are both valid, scientific questions. To religion, they are not. To religion, one can be investigated to any end, and any answer that is reached will be valid (the ipod HDD). The other subject though is full of taboos that cannot be touched upon. Its sacred and not up for debate. You have preconceived notions of what the answer must be in the end and therefore any idea to the contrary is threatening and not allowed. The very notion of god is up for debate to a scientist. It is not for a christian. That is because, by definition, a real scientist is objective, and a real christian is not.

Second, you prove my point about using religion as a shortcut to moral superiority:

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I mean it's about as idiotic to say that as it would be for me to accuse you of picking and choosing parts of religion to follow, because you want to be good person and not steal, kill, etc.
I don't steal, I don't kill and I am a good person. I do what is right not because of some scary guy in the clouds, but because it is better for the society which I choose to be a part of. My morals are based on reason, not fear. And above all, I don't pretend like I have some golden ticket to the great chocolate factory in the sky and then use that bullshit to try and laud myself above others who I perceive as having a silver ticket at best. Pretending to have a monopoly on morality is probably my second biggest beef with religious nuts (the first being trying to fuck with real science).
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