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Originally Posted by Radahr Manasponge View Post

where is the factual (not opinion, but FACTUAL) inaccuracy again?


I am not going to provide you with links. There is several Documentaries available that detail all of this, there is books (Title:so what!) and interviews that were famous for the information they provided (playboy). I'll just correct what you falsely pointed out,and suggest that you take the time to research topics before you spew drivel about them and call people out for rightfully informing you of being a fuckhead.

Originally Posted by Radahr Manasponge

Then St. Anger. GAH! Lars may be a hell of a drummer but I'd already gotten pretty tired of his whiney ass. Ya know what it sounded like to me? James went into rehab and 'lost it', his alpha dominance over the band. Back in the day it was he and Cliff (may he rest in peace), then just him after the accident in '86.

No it was him, for kill em all, which he recorded originally himself,all the instruments, when it was recorded for the label Mustaine lent some track help (horseman), and Cliff lent some track help, Hammet basically re-produced Mustaines work due to lack of time to rework it himself..

Then for ride it was him, Hammett, Lars and Cliff. James wrote the riffs and worked with Lars on the drum tracking. Cliff worked on Cthulu , Escape was a record label song.

Same process on Puppets; Though more of just James and Lars. Cliff wrote the intro to Damage and came up with portions of Orion. Some of the other Stuff Cliff developed didn't surface until Justice and the Black Album as much of the riffs from the black album were conceived even before puppets.


Through ride to justice they had a producer, Flemming Rasmussen ,this guy took the raw band that produced kill'em'all and produced the band as we know them, doubling James vocals coaching his voice,changing their amps,showing them what mid range can do for a guitar rather than scooping it like every other band of the era. He even encourage alternate tunings like those used on the thing that should not be. He was an important catalyst for that era and something that is often overlooked. Alot of their success is incorrectly given to Cliff when Rasmussen should be given more due .


Justice was James and Lars almost exclusively save some left over stuff from Cliff's era. The Black Album was James and Lars exclusively save a few riffs Hammett wrote, mainly the Enter Sandman signature riff.

In all cases James and Lars means, James principal songwriter,primary riff writer, Lars arranging and drum tracks to which Hetfield also effectively produced. Hetfield/Ulrich are co-producers on all their albums with Rock.

Moving on ...

Originally Posted by Radahr Manasponge

He did it well for a while, but it took its toll...hence the more and more drinking. He finally burned out. Kirks a good guitarist but needs a strong leader, and Bob Rock ain't that. Lars' ego grew unchecked, and it produced a situation so horrible that Jason bailed and Lars now became the musical George W. Bush. That is what St. Anger sounds like....fucking shit drum track and Kirk walking in on Fridays, playing for 10 minutes and picking up a paycheck.

Since that festering pile of shit (which, despite repeated attempts, I have yet to be able to listen to end-to-end) I haven't been paying attention. Everything I happened across sounded the same, and I hated it.

Wow, wrong wrong wrong.


James was a much bigger drunk during the justice era than he ever was during the load/re-load era, A period of time where he actually went into re-hab and quit drinking altogether. This is also when James had children,and Lars had children. The band started to take longer breaks,less touring. Jason decided that since he didn't have children he was going to pursue other musical interests in the down time. Hetfield didn't like this. Meanwhile,since the reast of the band were busy with children/side projects and divorce in Hammett's case, Lars was tasked with investigating Napster.

Lars took the brunt of the media backlash while the band itself took the fan backlash, both of which in retrospect were un warranted as anyone with a logical mind can see. They foresaw something that is today an enormous problem in the industry. Though all anyone ever sees is rich people taking their free shit away. Whatever.

Newstead left the band over the issues with no side projects, Hetfield eventually came to terms with this and admitted his attitude over the whole thing was wrong, but it was to late. The writing of St.Anger was new for the band in that Hetfield allowed the members as a whole to offer lyrical input. They also recorded drum tracks off the floor rather than adding them in later as they usually did to try and cut down on production time.This was to coincide with the jam vibe, how the snare came about from that I don't know.I can only assume it was an attempt to get the rdrums to cut through a very dirty muddy rythym section.

Originally Posted by Radahr Manasponge

Has it been long enough? Has James grown back his balls and taken over the reigns again? Enough to break that fuckin wussie bass player (Trujio? whatever his name is) and get Kirk recentered on the music?

Het never lost his balls. He came to realizations that he was suffocating the band via dictatorship. While it worked and maybe the band was better because of it at least in terms of hwat they produced musically, they were imploding. He allowed Hammett and Lars to write lyrics,he allowed Rock to write lyrics, they took Hammetts parts more seriously. That won't likely change with the new album . It's basically a case of Hetfield lets the other guys become involved in the writing process or the band doesn't exist. That's not to say that he doesn't continue to be the primary writer and maybe despite the others offering things,they don't necessarily use them and all is well, it remains to be seen.

Regardless of what they produce album wise,they are still one of the best live shows that exist today, and they'll continue to be successful on that front with an enormous catalogue of beloved work to draw from. I don't think they have many albums left in them .

I also don't think there will ever be music like we heard form the 80's , people grow as musicians , Hetfield has fairly eccletic tastes and he likes to incorporate them into what he writes. Since he does most of the writing it's never going to be the same as it was , you can't unlearn new scales and techniques. Sometimes though this can open doors to genious,just not in the same genre people expect. Not saying that is has already happened because I don't think it has,but I think Metallica is capable of writing an incredible album that people like,that doesn't necessarily have to be focused on the early years, they did it once with the Black album.

For all the shit people gave them for that,the popularity and longevity of the songs on that album is impressive. It is the second highest selling album of the last 15 years since soundscan has existed. regardless of what shit people give them they will remain a vital part of music history. They are the current generations equivalent to bands like Zeppelin and Black Sabbath and 20 years from now there will be all kinds of bands citing them as their greatest influences and ultimately the opinions of the few that got burned by napster and their haircuts,won't mean a god damn thing.